Since Obama himself proclaimed that HE is in charge, I continue to blame the administration for the no/slow response and lack of coordination on this.

Others still want to blame the big bad oil company. They are ultimately to blame and are responsible for the cost to clean it up as best possible. Its never gonna be like it was.

However, I believe that when it comes to protecting America - jobs, land, wildlife, industry etc ... that IS our Govt's responsibility.

On a side note - I found this piece.
Bold mine.
I'm not sure what ireport is other than its not from the CNN news staff, but this was virtually all news to me.

I'm not sure those two options are mutually exclusive.

Well they aren't going to let it run dry and then nuke it.
Or nuke it and then let it run dry .. .. ..
What do you mean?

Nuking it could allow it to run dry faster. Especially considering the other bolded paragraph.

How does nuking it fit in with the methane-explosion-tsunami-doomsday scenario?

I heard about that, from a nearby to there resident. I offered a move to Ohio...but one figured death will come slowly or quickly. I contend that it'll be like The Stand, and I will have to decide whether I'll go to the good side, or the dark side. Nadine, anyone?

Take the blue pill.

It is normal and natural to have small, occasional leaks of oil from the sea floor. The ocean can deal with a few thousand gallons here and there. How much is coming from sources outside the main well-head?

This is potentially misleading. The well head is leaking appx 2 million gallons per day. The way it is written, one could easily think that the other leaks are leaking at that rate.
Further, the article suggests that the well hole is fractured beneath the surface and this is leaking though permeable shallow rock in the area to feed the other leaks. The article suggests that this means that capping the well won't contani the other leaks.
However, the mud/concrete plug is to fill the well hole for hundreds, maybe thousands of feet. If it goes as planned, it WILL cut off all oil to the near-sea-floor region.

Speaking as one of the worst doom-saying worrywarts in the Cellar, I think this article is BS. The plug should work, eventually - might take a few tries - and this will stop any major associated leaking. Minor leaking is tolerable. They will not nuke it. No way.

I'm more concerned about hurricane season. Alex went well off to the east, but still screwed with the containment operations. Sooner or later, a storm is going to make a direct hit. Gonna be ... interesting...

Oh while I'm at it ...
Can't help but notice that things like people and rights aren't on this list ... but then, I'm a stinkin' socialist pinko type. ;)

I'm not worried about a hurricane. worst case scenario is that they have to remove the cap entirely and leave the area for several days while the hurricane passes through. That will increase the spill for those days, which is bad, but it's not like they are collecting all the oil spilling out anyway.

:grinnylov

Nice way to misrepresent my points. That alone was a key...
What do they have to do with the spill?

Rush Limbaugh logic remains alive and well. Apparently this reporter also knew Saddam had WMDs.

We know the source of this problem. It was created when top management openly encouraged reckless procedures at the expense of intelligent thought and despite what the engineers were saying. It was the same attitude that launched the Challenger when not even one engineer said it was safe. We know these management policies of optimizing profits are directly traceable to attitude and knowledge on and before 2008. When even sexting parties were all but encouraged by the administration. When all responsibility in all industries (including autos, finance, science and research, and military contractors) was subverted and discouraged.

We also know well proven solutions are two drilling operations. That will intercept the well in late August or early September. And we know when BP tried to stop one of these drills, the White House personally intervened to make sure both drills were operating. So that at least one would intercept the well ASAP. And yet extremists would still blame Obama - for the same reasons they knew Saddam had WMDs?

We also know the LA, MS, and FL coast damage was an inevitable conclusion well over a month ago. That no skimming, booms, dispersants, etc would avert this damage that had to be averted many years ago. We know BP even lied about the size of the leak. And can understand why they would lie for months. But Limbaugh logic would blame Obama - as any wacko extremist would routinely do. And forget to mention the sexting parties ongoing when the White House openly encouraged corruption - including the world's largest corruption scandal - K Street. But we should blame Obama.

Somehow we are to believe that earth was intact for a million years. And that suddenly it has numerous three mile deep factures? Fractures created by BP? And this is Obama's fault? With fiction after myth believed, no wonder Saddam had WMDs. There is only one way to describe such nonsense. A head that is doing the thinking lies between two legs. It is where Limbaugh logic is generated. It is where political agendas originate - including Saddam's WMDs.

The well proven solutions should achieve their objectives in late August or early September. Meanwhile, the Gulf will have an Exxon Valdez spill every four days. Deal with reality. And why extremist Presidents and sexting parties are so destructive to the environment, America's image, and the American economy.

If I invited you to a dinner party at our house, could you come and do that thing that you just did? Because you have something special.

Classic, mate ... ;)

In other news, I've seen some twit saying that they're drilling too deep and it is going to unleash a volcano. :lol: OMG we're doomed! We won't even make it to 2012!

No we won't make it until 2012. The aliens are coming back Dec of 2011. I keep telling everyone, but everyone wants that extra time. ;)

Those illegal aliens will go back to Mars. The stimulus that has averted a serious recession ends in 2011. We know from 1929 and 1933 that we will not have any jobs for them ... unless they want to be hired as Martian Rover repairmen.

However Spirit may have died. More job losses.

Only thing we can do about the oil spill is call that a new reality - or try to get that job on Mars.

We're just an experiment for the aliens of which I speak. I am one of their prime subjects. I'll get a job. Even aliens need humor, right? ;)

I thought the danger of a hurricane in the area was not to the cleanup crew themselves, but rather that the hurricane would basically blow all that surface oil inland, pouring sludge-rain on everything.

Thinking of a rat inside an aquarium running on a spinning wheel.

Glatt, you must make a zazzle shirt of that. It will make you millions of $
srsly

Is there water in the aquarium, or just some of that gerbil stuff?

A nice infographic in the Post today said that if a hurricane hit, the recovery effort could be suspended for as much as two weeks as they break the equipment down, wait it out, and then set it up again. It said that all the wave action would accelerate the breaking up of the oil. And it said that depending on if the center of the storm was to the West or East of the slick, it would either push the oil in to land or blow it back out to sea, respectively.

So it's a mixed bag.

I don't see how it would push it out to sea. It would seem that the storm would have to originate from land towards the middle of the gulf.

Hurricanes spin counter-clockwise. If the hurrican is south or west of the oil, then where does the oil go?

Maybe the pumps in New Orleans need to be oiled?

wonderful list of excuses, bravo.

shush

Insult...

Agreed.
LSD trip.
Yup, old news.
Cite please.
'nother windowpane...
Quantifying that damage and minimizing it to the best of our ability also was an obvious fact. What are you talking about with the damage aversion years ago tangent?
Yup - nothing new here. . . common knowledge.

If you read any of my posts, you know damn well that, I too hold BP responsible for the leak. The clean up et all. is what lays upon the feet of Mr. Obama and his administration - not the last one or any other. They are charged with that responsibility.

Please, if humanly possible, explain whatever it is you are talking about here, in plain english.

Again, old news.

To post extremist rhetoric, you must deny who is completely responsible for the clean up. BP. Which is why BP, et al submit plans for how they will clean up every spill. And why the government had to step in and do BP's job. BP did what any corrupt company does. Buy off the regulators. Including those sexting parties that you refuse to acknowledge - because those parties expose the facility of a political agenda.

Corruption openly encouraged especially after 2000 when even lawyers rewrote science papers and K-Street was this nation's worst corruption scandal. When even torture was openly endorsed. And when hundreds of innocent men were held in Guantanamo because a political agenda is more important than honesty. These are more reasons why you blame Obama - even deny whose failure required government intervention - including the White House ordering the restart of that second drilling rig.

You are lying. The cleanup is Obama's fault only where Rush Limbaugh lies are promoted. BP created a spill so large that no successful cleanup is possible. Once BP had no plans to stop the leak, then no successful clean up is possible. BP even lied about the size of that flow so as to avoid a major problem: BP did not have the clean up plans or abilities they were required to have.

When your politics is driven by rhetoric, then everyone must remember what that same logic created - Saddam's WMDs. It only insults you because you do not want to admit why you bought into that overt lie. And why a moderate who needs facts before having a conclusion saw through that myth. When you post extremist rhetoric, I will remind you how many good American soldiers were massacred only for another extremist lie.

Obama is not responsible for the cleanup. BP is. Obama is involved because BP openly lied and did what was encouraged at the highest levels of government especially in 2000 through 2008. When do you admit to those sexting parties throughout 2000 thru 2008: an example of working a political agenda rather than for America. Somehow the adminstration did not know until newspapers exposed it? Bull. Many of the same corrupt MMS people were left in those jobs. So corrupt that when the adminstration asked for information about deep sea drilling, those people could not mention how often BOP fail at those depths. Sexting parties were typical when management would even lie about Saddam's WMDs.

Failures directly traceable to citizens who support extremists political agendas rather than America. Which one do you support? Blaming Obama is a perfect example of support for an extremist political agenda. What Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, et al tell disciples what to believe.

Why were all oil companies required to submit their clean up plans? Why were all oil companies - and not the government - required to have equipment to peform that clean up? Oh. According to classicman and Limbaugh, it was all Obama's fault.

I didn't see the link to support your claims... again.

Lets try to lose the rhetoric and the name calling - shall we? I asked you to support your points not dribble on about a decade ago, nor Vietnam, WMD's, your hero Rush Limbaugh (Whom you obviously listen to/watch) or any extremist viewpoints.
Try again. Just post the substantiating link.
thanks.

Seems to be pervasive issue.

Buying off regulators has been a major problem for decades. Its similar to lobbyists buying the politicians.

BP: No oil leaking into Gulf from busted well


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Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its a start <knock on wood>

I'd shout "hip hip hooray!" but I'm not sure I trust them. It's probably true, but I'll give it a week.

HAHAHAAHA

But I watched the video and and and its on the interwebs so it HAS to be true.

Forward recon report from my Boss , he's at Navarre beach Fla ,
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=nevaro...7,0.13072&z=14

he says All clear , Houses are Empty , and EVERY thing is CHEAP !!!!!

Awesome zip - You reminded me to post that a friend of mine near Sanibel Island FL reports that all is well and the beach is gorgeous. As zip said there is plenty of room there also. Not a lot of tourists.

I don't quite understand that picture. Is it supposed to show that the oil spill is as harmless as a single beer can? Tell that to all those fishermen who have lost their livelihood, and all those oiled animals and all the destroyed wetlands. :eyebrow:

And all those people in the picture! Looks like the beginning of the end to me. If each of those people threw a beer can onto the playing field, there quickly would be nothing left.

And, while it may not be the healthiest beverage, beer isn't poison. There are poisons in which 24 oz could harm a stadium full of people. Or could greatly harm lots of people in a particular area of the stadium, regardless of the stadium size.

Or, in beer terms, what if an equivalent percentage of the beer in the stadium had been poisoned, and it was impossible to tell ahead of time which beers were tainted? Would you drink it?

And, pedantically, the only standard measurement of a football stadium is the area of the field, not volume.

no sam - not at all. It just gives some perspective as to the size of the gulf compared to the amount of oil spilled and the amount of damage this relatively tiny amount can cause.

China oil spill
Link
ahh the irony that the tanker was from Libya...

A few pics here

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100720/ca...Gv2fANWit1ig--

They'll do cheap knockoffs of anything, with worse labour conditions.

The cap appears to be holding, with some sea floor seepage. Some folks are saying they should uncap it and resume pumping from the hole to prevent the seepage. Seems unwise, this being hurricane season.

I wonder if the seepage can get worse. Like a levee experiencing seepage just before it fails.

They have been really lucky up to this point with the lack of storms.

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Now they are looking for that soda can in a stadium. :greenface

"around the area of the capped well"? With the cap, there's not much new oil, and it's not going to hang around. Hopefully they're looking around somewhere else, as well.

They have been pumping the mud in and it appears as though the well is plugged. They need to finalize it with concrete and have been given the OK by the administration as long as it doesn't affect the relief well timetable.....

NY Times article 8/6/10


BP Done Pumping Cement Into Well

Now we are being told that the vast majority of the rest of the oil spilled is evaporating and getting eaten by microbes.
Perhaps I should have resurrected the perverting science thread for this post.


Where are the images of all the oil covered and dead animals on the TV night, after night, after night... like there were with the Valdez spill?

I also noticed that since Anderson Cooper left the area there really hasn't been much "real" coverage on things.

The Valdez spilled heavy crude, in freezing temperatures. Also, it didn't happen a mile beneath the ocean.

Plus, this spill lasted three months, and the press gets bored quicker, so the dead pelicans only got a few days. Also, BP used dispersants to turn visibly-bird-coating oil into undersea poison. Most dead animals will be out of the way at the bottom of the ocean. Gulf seafood will be returning it to us slowly for the forseeable future.

But I never liked seafood, so I'm good! If any Gulf seafood gets to me, it will have to be indirectly, through several levels of processing.

The oil just makes the oysters more slippery so they go down easier.

Much of the slick did not make landfall because, amongst other reasons, it had the flow of the 4th largest river in the world working against it.

Ha ha! FU Carribean!

Do you honestly believe that there were no pictures to be had in the marshes as the oil made landfall? Where are the nightly images of the oil covered shorelines? Why were there never any rebuttals to those who are there bringing up the issues that were not being addressed?

Please. . . If you look, you can find them, just not on the major networks.

I'd held off from reading/participating in this thread for all the usual reasons. Now after finally gathering the courage to have a look, I see that there was no need to. :D

:thumb:

I just had some shrimp for dinner at a local Mexican restaurant and wondered if they came from the Gulf.

Oh, did they tell you that was mole sauce? Yeah, ah, about that...