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TIL that Jane Goodall witnessed a four year long war between two chimp tribes. The tribes, which had previously worked together, decided to do battle. It only ended after four years because one of the tribes was completely killed off. When killings happen they are accompanied by brutal behavior. Eating the victim alive and such.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

Not really a "war"... (as you picture hundreds of chimps doing battle)... it was a tribe of 20 against a tribe of 10. At the end of four years, one tribe had 19 remaining and the other had none.

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The chimp is humans' closest animal relative; we are 98.8% genetically similar. The lines for chimps and humans broke off about 4-5 million years ago, a very short time, evolutionarily speaking.

So, chances are that we share these chimp instincts. To gather into tribes. To separate our group from others. And to find and bear such malice towards another tribe that we need them to be killed off completely and brutally. And to retain this collective malice over years and years, even without the aid of consciousness or language.

That is in all our DNA.

Well, good luck, everybody!

I like how the wiki page has the stats on the right hand side broken down just as if it were a human war.

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Result: Decisive Kasakela victory
Belligerents: Kahama chimpanzees; Kasakela chimpanzees
Strength: 7 males, 3 females; 8 males, 12 females
Casualties and losses: 10 chimpanzees; 1 chimpanzee

But this scientist says humans are just as closely related to bonobos

and bonobos are basically the sex nuts of the primate world.

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Bonobos do not form permanent monogamous sexual relationships with individual partners. They also do not seem to discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual activity between mothers and their adult sons. When bonobos come upon a new food source or feeding ground, the increased excitement will usually lead to communal sexual activity, presumably decreasing tension and encouraging peaceful feeding.

Oh, wow, it's a apple grove! Well, let's all get laid! That way nobody will feel like they have to fight over this fruit!

Nice.

I prefer to throw in with the Bonobos but I am a Chimp, run the right golden calf up the flagpole and I'll start throwing shit.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 996735)

But this scientist says humans are just as closely related to bonobos

and bonobos are basically the sex nuts of the primate world.

Oh, wow, it's a apple grove! Well, let's all get laid! That way nobody will feel like they have to fight over this fruit!

very informative

https://www.ted.com/talks/susan_sava...pes_that_write

But then it isn't any more special than taking a crap or a nap.
Anticipation is half the fun.

Was there a large black rectangle involved in this Chimp War?

That movie made absolutely no sense to me.:confused:

But the special effects on the space station were pretty damn good for their time. And the filming was good. The Hal story line was good.

It's just that damn obelisk. They would have been better off just not trying to explain it.

I agree it was a well produced non-story.

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 997004)

It's just that damn obelisk. They would have been better off just not trying to explain it.

Did Kubrick try to explain it? I thought most of the confusion was from the lack of explanation. The monolith story is pretty simple if you get it from other sources (the book, its sequels, and the movie sequel).

The monoliths spread through the universe looking for life, then accelerate the development of intelligent beings in order to bring them into contact with the monolith builders' civilization.

The one on Earth pushed the hominids towards the use of tools, the one on the Moon (may have been the same one) waited until humans were advanced enough to dig it up, and then pointed them to the one on Jupiter, which abducted one (the only one left, due to HAL's story), studied him, showed him a message from the alien civilization (the acid trip), and modified him to a new form of life (the space baby) more able to interact with interstellar civilization.

"Show, don't tell", is a good filmmaking rule, but sometimes a little bit of telling might be in order.