FWEEEP! :redcard: Thread foul, unnecessary cheap shot, five minute penalty.

Overruled, the Russians have pictures. :p:

I saw a clip of Seth MacFarlane on one of the talk shows talking about hosting the Trump Roast. One of his jokes (on the roast) was that when Donald Trump has sex, he thinks of himself jerking off. He said Trump nodded his head like "That's fair."

Hef. What a life that guy lived.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/...-at-91-w443922

I guess. Kind of pathetic, if you ask me. Surrounded by yes-men, and always knowing in the back of his mind that not one of the women ever really wanted to be with him as a person. No amount of money is worth that.

How do you know none of them was really in love with him, wanted him for him? Not even Barbi Benton, or his wife Kimberly Conrad?
Hmm, if you are correct and he ended up an old man loved by none, I'd say he had a hell of a better time getting there than I did. :yesnod:

Sure. 18-year-olds are known for falling deeply in love with all the unwealthy 42-year-old men in their lives. :rolleyes:

There are people (still) who get by just fine without true love. You can learn to love anyone/thing, and you can learn to get by without it.

Yep, Old Hef was surrounded by beautiful women, slept on piles of hundred dollar bills, partied his phucking ass off his entire life, and died, at the Playboy mansion, at the age of ninety-fucking-one. Yeah that fellow was pathetic alright.[/immeasurablesarcasm]

And he was on my list.:(

Wonder how long they've been saving this one?

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There you go with personal opinion and tropes. You have no way of proving who was, or was not, in love with whom. You'd even have to define what is, and is not, love. If a 13 year old girl says she's madly in love with her French teacher, everyone is quick to scoff at her because they are older, wiser, and know better. Granted it's best to discourage her because of the social and legal nightmare. But that does not mean she is not truly and deeply in love.

There will always be those who love famously, and those who love fame. I don't presume to know how many of Hef's lovers fit which category, and the reality is, it doesn't matter at all. Those were Hef's personal choices to make and they didn't effect me (or anyone else, other than Hef and his girlfriends) in the least.

I don't recall hearing about Hef being a shitty human being, or seeing news stories about former girlfriends writing ugly tell-alls about his behavior. I know he was fairly philanthropic and that he fought for and supported civil rights issues (same-sex marriage, for one).

His passions were beautiful women and sexual freedom, and he followed them to great success and wealth. I don't have any beefs against the guy.

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Jennifer Saginor
Izabella St. James
Kendra Wilkinson
Holly Madison
Dorothy Stratten
Gloria Steinem

And those are just the ones who could write a coherent sentence. I'm not absolving the girls of their own responsibility for their situation. And there are certainly some who understood what they were getting into, took it for the career boost it was, and successfully moved on to bigger and better things. I'm not saying he was a brutal rapist or anything. But the glamour was a lie, and the emotional abuse was real, not to mention the pressure to get high and have sex with his friends or else risk being banished from his good graces.

He fought for LGBT rights when no one else was. He fought for women's rights way before a lot of other people (with the exception of the women living in his home.) He wasn't all bad. But like anyone with a public brand to maintain, the truth is always uglier than the Instagram photos.

His daughter is a highly able, strong, and philanthropic woman and I will partly judge him by that

I have heard Ms. Madison tell some of her tale, and it is appalling.

Jennifer Saginor - she was the daughter of Hef's private doctor, who brought her to live at the Mansion because she demanded to live with her father at the Mansion. Not Hef's doing (although he should have insisted his doctor remove her from the house).

Izabella St. James - Aw. The Mansion was "shabby," and she had to be in by 9 p.m. most nights. How awful for her!

Kendra Wilkinson - Her life with Hef doesn't sound so terribly ugly or damaging. In fact, she says some very kind things about him.

Holly Madison - Apparently life after Hef consists of writing whiny books about how innocent she was, how damaged she is, and how MEAN everybody has been to her. *pout*

Dorothy Stratten -Murdered by her husband; hardly Hef's fault.

Gloria Steinem - Paid by her magazine employer in 1963 to reveal what it took to be a Bunny. The astonishing answer: pretty, thin, and able to serve drinks in high heels. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Meh.

Monty Hall, legendary host of ‘Let’s Make a Deal,' dead at 96

He's probably standing before Saint Peter who's asking him - Do you want gate number one, gate number two, or gate number three?