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xoxoxoBruce 10-29-2015 06:28 PM

Trains... Choo Choo, not the dirty kind.
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We've discussed before, somewhere in the Cellar, this head on collision in 1896 at 'Crush', Texas. But I just ran across this picture of the moment of impact.

Gravdigr 10-30-2015 04:29 PM


xoxoxoBruce 11-13-2015 09:07 PM

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This is the non-porno dirty kind.

Lamplighter 11-13-2015 09:47 PM

I heard VW is doing a environmental recall on some of their models.

xoxoxoBruce 11-13-2015 11:44 PM

Yeah, just a few million of them. :rolleyes:

fargon 11-14-2015 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 945390)
Yeah, just a few million of them. :rolleyes:

My 2014 VW Jetta Sport Wagon TDI, is one of them. And I am pissed.

Gravdigr 11-14-2015 04:26 PM


xoxoxoBruce 11-27-2015 11:14 PM

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Griff 11-28-2015 07:53 AM

Look at those bad boys.

DanaC 11-28-2015 08:21 AM

They look like something off Metropolis

fargon 11-28-2015 08:24 AM

I lurves me some, Art Deco.

monster 11-28-2015 09:34 AM

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xoxoxoBruce 11-28-2015 02:06 PM


Happy Monkey 12-04-2015 10:28 AM

Their whisks were stolen too!

Scriveyn 12-07-2015 12:11 PM

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Some from the York Railway Museum

travel in style...
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Queen Victoria's "sink"
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and some machinery
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xoxoxoBruce 12-07-2015 12:24 PM

Wow, nice pictures. How many trains/cars do they have there?
The posh interiors are a safety feature, even low-life train robbers would be loath to shoot up that décor. ;)

Scriveyn 12-07-2015 12:52 PM

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It's fairly big, presumably the biggest of its kind in the UK. You can easily spend half a day or more there. Or on their website:

resembling a horse-drawn carriage, I think:
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xoxoxoBruce 12-07-2015 08:25 PM

A posh horse drawn carriage, but I suppose all horse draw carriages were posh, the hoi polloi rode in wagons. :haha:
Nice engines.

Griff 12-08-2015 06:59 AM

Excellent pics.

xoxoxoBruce 12-13-2015 09:19 PM

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Germans were into streamlining too.

lumberjim 12-13-2015 10:15 PM

So, what IS the dirty kind? Do you mean when a group of men line up and take turns having relations with one woman? Like on a pool table or something?

xoxoxoBruce 12-13-2015 10:51 PM

Uh... I would have no knowledge of those things, but I've heard references to unspeakable perversions of some sort which are collectively coded by the shorthand term trains, among people who have knowledge of that culture.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it...

as long as I can keep a straight face.

Gravdigr 12-14-2015 10:52 AM

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From "The Shawshank Redemption":

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xoxoxoBruce 12-24-2015 12:56 PM

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New York Central called their design Mercury, when they threw their hat in the streamlined ring.

xoxoxoBruce 12-25-2015 12:13 AM

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Banff Boo Boo

xoxoxoBruce 12-25-2015 12:14 AM

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Trans Siberian

xoxoxoBruce 12-25-2015 05:55 PM

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Back when men were men and sheep were nervous, the US was carved up into fiefdoms by the major railroads. They grew by building tracks, stealing land, bribing politicians and swallowing small companies. Once it reached a point where there were only a handful of systems to big to mess with, they had to look inward for opportunities to jack profits.

Union Pacific decided there was money in short haul passengers on existing infrastructure, except the locomotives and cars were too costly. So they designed a smaller unit, with a gasoline engine for small groups of passengers. Streamlined, in 70' and 55' sizes, with the front 12' for the engine/mechanicals. The 70' had a mail compartment, and two passenger compartments, one for 50 Whites divided into smoking/nonsmoking, and one for 10 Colored, which I suppose included Indians, Chinese, and Mexicans.

The 200hp, 6 cyl, reversible, gasoline engine sat on the front truck, chain driving the axels. The cars operated in either direction at 50 to 60 mph, with 75 max. The engines proved unreliable and ultimately killed the project.

Union Pacific built the first 4 then subcontracted McKeen to build them in UP's shops. They were bringing cheap help back then, too.

fargon 12-26-2015 05:53 AM

I have never heard of a Reversible gasoline engine. I must research this.

fargon 12-26-2015 06:27 AM

My quick google search, brought me back to the same article. There are many reversible diesel engines, Atlas Imperial, and B-W diesel marine engines.
To reverse an engine, you stop the engine, line up the timing marks, rotate the cam shaft 180 degrees, and re-start it the opposite direction. Since most magnetos don't like turning backwards, you would need a mag. for reverse operation. This would be a complex engine to operate, but would put out the same power in reverse as well as forward.
One way of doing this is with two camshafts making for a complicated valve train. I'm gonna look into this engine, and see what I learn.

fargon 12-26-2015 06:33 AM

Something tells me the engine is a Klamath. They made gasoline marine engines in the same power range as described in the article. And direct reversing was quite popular at the time.

Undertoad 12-26-2015 07:27 AM

fargon, like any quiet gentleman, becomes lucid and wordy when you finally figure out his fascination. :D

fargon 12-26-2015 07:35 AM

I lurves me some antique engines.

fargon 12-26-2015 08:48 AM

I found an article on Wikipedia that says that the biggest problems with the McKeen cars was reliability of the engines. I think that they had too many moving parts. Here is the article:
The biggest problem they were having was trying to adapt marine engines for rail use. Also the lack of a clutch hampered operation. Internal combustion electric drive was in it infancy, and used successfully by other makers. The Denver and Rio Grande railroads Galloping Goose used a Pierce Arrow automotive power plant with success. The problem with the McKeen cars was an unreliable power plant.

xoxoxoBruce 12-26-2015 11:29 AM


...the horizontal cast steel engine bed was also described as a structural member. The straight-6 engine had an 11-inch (279 mm) bore and 15-inch (381 mm) stroke, for a total displacement of 8,553 cubic inches (140.16 L); it developed 300 horsepower (220 kW).
Good grief. :smack:

fargon 12-26-2015 11:56 AM

With no clutch at the time that could handle the output of that engine. Direct drive scary.

fargon 12-26-2015 03:03 PM

I found an article on the McKeen Motor Cars;

fargon 12-26-2015 03:09 PM

I never did find out much about direct reversible gasoline engines. Only that they existed for a time and went away with out a wimper.

xoxoxoBruce 12-26-2015 03:14 PM

William McKeen was the Union Pacific Railroad’s Superintendent of Motive Power when he, and/or staff, came up with this design. The Railroad built the first four cars, and subsequent units were constructed by McKeen in leased space at Union Pacific’s Omaha Shops. So McKeen started a company to build this design.

I wonder if that was Union Pacific didn't want to risk liability?
Couldn't convince stockholders this was a geed investment?
Up's charter wouldn't allow to selling to other railroads?
McKeen's name was on the patents, unlikely if he was working for UP?
It was a sweetheart deal between McKeen and the UP brass?

I also wonder what engines were used in the first four?

The first McKeen Car was built in 1904-5, and was reported complete in March of 1905. This car was built with a steel frame and wood body, was 31′ feet long, and sat 25 passengers. It had a Riotti 50 H.P. Gasoline engine, which, when tested in the Omaha Yards, proved too weak for a train car of that size, and in two months, a 100 H.P. Riotti engine was fitted before it was sent off to Grand Island, Neb. for further testing.
They whole concept of an unassailable giant like Union Pacific, trying to carry the public on the cheap, is kind of scary. I mean if you try to raise corn or rabbits and fail, then it's too bad. Carrying 80 people and fail, is much more serious. But in those days, Union Pacific might refund the price of the ticket... to the next of kin. Think how little White Star paid to Titanic victims.

xoxoxoBruce 12-26-2015 03:31 PM

OK, after the first four cars built by UP, they started using an engine of McKeen's design, except 3 Rottis, 1 Samet, and 1 Sterling.
The cars McKeen built for other railroads had his engine or Hall-Scott, or Winton engines.

xoxoxoBruce 12-29-2015 12:01 PM

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Here's a Stover from that era.

xoxoxoBruce 12-30-2015 10:45 AM

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And winter in the Rockies...

xoxoxoBruce 01-15-2016 05:01 PM

1943 menus with the highest priced item on each.


New York Central

Frisco and Dixie

xoxoxoBruce 01-15-2016 11:48 PM

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Wiki says...

The Shay locomotive was the most widely used geared steam locomotive. The locomotives were built to the patents of Ephraim Shay, who has been credited with the popularization of the concept of a geared steam locomotive. Although the design of Ephraim Shay's early locomotives differed from later ones, there is a clear line of development that joins all Shays.
The strength of these engines is that all wheels, including, in some engines, those under the tender, are driven so that all the weight develops tractive effort. A high ratio of piston strokes to wheel revolutions allowed them to run at partial slip, where a conventional rod engine would spin its drive wheels and burn rails, losing all traction.
I'm guessing there's some track under that water. :unsure:

Griff 01-17-2016 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 951475)
Wiki says...

I'm guessing there's some track under that water. :unsure:

I wonder when that baby went out of service...

xoxoxoBruce 01-17-2016 11:41 AM

Apparently two more years hauling wood. This picture shows how 12 wheels were driven, including the tender's wheels, for maximum traction.
You can read the "stories" here.

xoxoxoBruce 01-21-2016 01:29 AM

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Santa Fe Locomotive... I guess if take a mile to stop, it doesn't matter that you can't see. :rolleyes:

glatt 01-21-2016 07:59 AM

That thing could have used a periscope.

xoxoxoBruce 01-30-2016 01:57 AM

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Old school puffer.

fargon 01-30-2016 08:43 AM

That looks like a Shay.

Gravdigr 01-30-2016 02:34 PM

That would make one awesome bong.

fargon 01-30-2016 02:35 PM

Yes it would.

Gravdigr 02-05-2016 12:51 PM

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xoxoxoBruce 02-05-2016 02:27 PM

The Kleven green tunnel. :thumb:

Gravdigr 02-05-2016 05:07 PM

...and now I know it has a name.


xoxoxoBruce 02-05-2016 07:31 PM

Town of Kleven in the Ukraine, it's semi-famous.

xoxoxoBruce 02-16-2016 01:06 PM

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Choo choo, bigada choo choo...

Gravdigr 02-25-2016 04:37 PM

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The Flying Scotsman Back On The Tracks After £4 Million Restoration

Carruthers 02-26-2016 05:22 AM

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You beat me to it Mr G!

Given that the restoration took ten years and cost well in excess of £4 million ($5.6m+) you can only speculate as to how much of the original engine is left.
I think that they must go by the principle that if the name plate is original, then it doesn't matter what else you weld, bolt, rivet or otherwise attach to it.

I mustn't be churlish; it's great to see it under steam again.

Griff 02-26-2016 07:15 AM

I stumbled onto this from Central PA. East Broad Top RR is the oldest surviving narrow gage RR in the country but they're in some financial distress.

Griff 02-26-2016 07:22 AM

The locomotives were built by Baldwin a PA company as well.

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