"Baby It's Cold Outside" is not rapey
 

It's a perfectly wonderful song about flirting, where the lady is entirely into the idea of staying the night, but feels it polite to give a moment of hard-to-get resistance.

"What's in this drink" was a common jokey saying of the day, I am told

Go ahead, change my mind

Cerys has the last laugh in this video, my favourite version.

No. He's a rapist. You're a rapist for liking the song. I'm a rapist for associating with you. We're all rapists now.

No means no.

Wait. No doesn't mean no?

Yeah, no.

Is tricksy; 'cause, "no" could previously be a white lie.

No means no, but she didn't say no. She says, "I ought to say no no no", in other words no is expected of me but I don't want to say it.
This is the way the game was played for most of the 20th century when people noticed the walk of shame. Now it's the walk of I did it and I'm glad.

Just say no, while nodding your head. :yesnod:

Coercion.[/debbil'srapi--Imean-advocate]

Yes.

Wait. No. Wait.

Fuck, now I'm confused.

Pete and I were speculating on how it is on campus today. We decided that turnabout being fair play, guys borrowing Pink emblazoned tops and sweats making the walk is inevitable.

Yes your right..... The PC crap in this country has ruined alot of things!

Yes.


This is why laws are long and complicated. Because some asshole finds a loophole that needs to be fixed.

Anyone, please, correct me if you disagree anywhere. I'm really fascinated by this.

I think that:
#1: the behavior depicted in the song is, at face value, what we now consider "rapey" behavior, e.g. being pushy and trying to wear down someone's resistance over an extended period, where you're physically preventing them from leaving, until you achieve a nominal "green light"
#2: the behavior was considered "okay" at the time so some people figure the song gets a pass for historical accuracy
#3: some people value cultural touchstones such as baby boomer's fond childhood memories to the degree that they trump* other considerations, such as an updated sense of cultural norms
--and that somewhere in the debate--
#4: some people are so steadfast in defending the song that they've skipped right over reasons #2 and #3 and are saying that the original behavior--at face value!-- is okay




*is there another word for this?