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Undertoad 07-07-2007 01:48 PM

July 7, 2007: Rain forest to charcoal
 
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xoB finds this wire service image of what the caption says is virgin Amazon rain forest logs, and the mud hut ovens they'll be put into to create charcoal. Charcoal!

It's all in Brazil, and it turns out this is one of the biggest consumptions of the rain forest there.

xoxoxoBruce 07-07-2007 02:47 PM

Turning those logs into charcoal is like turning cows into McBurgers... quick and easy for the consumer, but so much wasted along the way.

skysidhe 07-07-2007 02:50 PM

when you think you've seen it all....

deadbeater 07-07-2007 05:03 PM

At least the logs don't become single toothpicks like an old Disney cartoon...but it's still a waste.

Sheldonrs 07-07-2007 07:14 PM

I remember when I was a kid that the Amazon loses 1 football sized area per day to human destruction.
I don't care if global warming stories are true or not. If you KNOW something is bad for the planet, DON'T DO IT!

busterb 07-07-2007 07:54 PM

I'm wondering if this is waste, by-products?? Of the real rape.

xoxoxoBruce 07-07-2007 09:58 PM

From the Washington Post.
Quote:

Logs cut from virgin Amazon rainforest lie next to the nearly 1,200 ovens used to turn the wood into charcoal in Ulianopolis, Brazil. The cutting of trees for the charcoal industry is one of the main causes of the destruction of the world's largest rainforest.
It doesn't sound like the byproduct of logging/lumbering.

Elspode 07-08-2007 05:25 AM

Next time you pick up that bag of Kingsford, make sure you thank the gods for it.

TheMercenary 07-08-2007 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 361988)
I remember when I was a kid that the Amazon loses 1 football sized area per day to human destruction.
I don't care if global warming stories are true or not. If you KNOW something is bad for the planet, DON'T DO IT!

That's it I am calling into work today. I refuse to consume or drive my car... wait, wait, how will I pay the bills, feed the wife and children, heat the house, keep the beer cold, water the flowers, oh hell, forget that.

xoxoxoBruce 07-08-2007 09:43 AM

Much of the charcoal is used to carbonize iron ore to create pig iron, both in Brazil and elsewhere. Another big market is lump charcoal in Europe.
Another bone of contention, is that much of the rain forest clearing is done by slave labor.

richlevy 07-08-2007 10:28 AM

Maybe it's the recent Live Earth coverage, but the rain forest site (http://www.therainforestsite.com/) would not load for me this morning. I had the same problem with the hunger site (http://www.thehungersite.com/). I wonder if it's because of all the attention the environment and the problems it is causing with famine are getting in the news.

The breast cancer, child health, animal rescue, and literacy sites loaded ok. Of course, these are the lesser known sites and may never have been as popular.

I've put all of the click-a-day-for charity sites in one bookmark group in Firefox. Every day when I use my home computer it only usually takes 10 seconds to open all in tabs and click on and donate a few square feet of rain forest, part of a bowl of animal food, etc. The donation is paid for by the sponsors. All I invest is 10 seconds of my time assuming I'm on the computer anyway.

If the hunger and rain forest sites are down because of volume, that's both a good and bad thing.

P.S. The hunger site finally came back. The rain forest site is still unavailable.

TheMercenary 07-08-2007 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 362064)
Maybe it's the recent Live Earth coverage, but the rain forest site (http://www.therainforestsite.com/) would not load for me this morning. I had the same problem with the hunger site (http://www.thehungersite.com/). I wonder if it's because of all the attention the environment and the problems it is causing with famine are getting in the news.

The breast cancer, child health, animal rescue, and literacy sites loaded ok. Of course, these are the lesser known sites and may never have been as popular.

I've put all of the click-a-day-for charity sites in one bookmark group in Firefox. Every day when I use my home computer it only usually takes 10 seconds to open all in tabs and click on and donate a few square feet of rain forest, part of a bowl of animal food, etc. The donation is paid for by the sponsors. All I invest is 10 seconds of my time assuming I'm on the computer anyway.

If the hunger and rain forest sites are down because of volume, that's both a good and bad thing.

P.S. The hunger site finally came back. The rain forest site is still unavailable.

That sounds pretty cool. Is there a clearing house for these kinds of links so people can pick and choose what places they want to "donate" those clicks to?

richlevy 07-08-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 362079)
That sounds pretty cool. Is there a clearing house for these kinds of links so people can pick and choose what places they want to "donate" those clicks to?

That depends. When it's all working, the sites are tabbed together, so one site usually can lead to the others. I find using the 'open all in tabs' method faster. You don't donate until you click the button, so you don't have to worry about accidentally donating to something you disagree with, although I doubt you are pro-hunger, -illiteracy, -cancer, etc.

OK, maybe I do have a hard time picturing you with the 'free peace dove pin'.

xoxoxoBruce 07-08-2007 03:35 PM

Quote:

Today, you and others have generated the value of 338,306 square feet of rainforest land. Thank you!

TheMercenary 07-08-2007 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 362088)
...so you don't have to worry about accidentally donating to something you disagree with, although I doubt you are pro-hunger, -illiteracy, -cancer, etc.

Your view of who I am or am not is at best myopic.


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