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Griff 08-21-2014 07:08 AM

Is suicide more selfish than an expectation that someone in unbearable pain keep on living for whatever need they fill in us? To me, that expectation is far more selfish than suicide.

Sundae 08-21-2014 07:25 AM

IMHO, suicide is killing. It's a killing of the self.
Of course we back away from those who kill - murderers!!! But people have and will kill in ways that society has sanctioned. The hangman, the soldier, the policeman.

The vast majority of people that kill take no pleasure in their acts.
Did WWI or WWII veterans come back just to be called serial killers?

So suicides should at least be granted the disparity of their own reasons.
Not all killing is violent. Not all suicide is revenge.
And sometimes it feels like a reasonable cessation.

That said, I still miss Brianna and need her more now than I did then. I still find it hard to believe I won't hear her voice again. Life moves on and we grieve and live and it feels like a betrayal.

Sorry. Probably the wrong thread for this.

fargon 08-21-2014 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by Sundae (Post 907699)

Sorry. Probably the wrong thread for this.

No Sundae it had to be said.

Spexxvet 08-21-2014 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by orthodoc (Post 907668)
Sometimes divorce saves lives. An abused spouse gets out before being killed, and may take the minor children so that they don't have to be subjected to further abuse or watch a parent's death. Is that selfish?

And how is it that you are comparing suicide with divorce as a function of selfishness? Do you not see either tragedy in any other way?

It seems to me that divorce is like suicide from a marriage, but instead of being dead, you get to go and live your life more happily. I think that's selfish.

glatt 08-21-2014 12:21 PM

I suppose you could argue that breathing is selfish. I breathe without even thinking, but I do it only for self serving reasons.

Sheldonrs 08-21-2014 12:21 PM

I think divorce is more like the funeral after the death.

monster 08-24-2014 05:15 PM

Richard Attenborough

90 is a ripe old age, though

orthodoc 08-24-2014 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 907728)
It seems to me that divorce is like suicide from a marriage, but instead of being dead, you get to go and live your life more happily. I think that's selfish.

I suspect you're viewing divorce from a personal point of view that doesn't encompass other situations. At least, I hope so.

monster 08-24-2014 11:17 PM

when I told beest about Dickie, he told me Iyengar just died at an even riper old age. I totally missed that.

Gravdigr 08-25-2014 04:13 PM

I thought "Iyengar?! Who the hell is Iyengar?"

But then I clicked the link.

I didn't know who he was, but, I knew his face. Somehow.

Sheldonrs 08-27-2014 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 908145)
I thought "Iyengar?! Who the hell is Iyengar?"

But then I clicked the link.

I didn't know who he was, but, I knew his face. Somehow.

He's the guy that made it more difficult to please a sex partner.
Because of him, people could get into even more positions.
Downward Facing Dog, my ass!


Gravdigr 08-27-2014 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 908289)
He's the guy that made it more difficult to please a sex partner.
Because of him, people could get into even more positions.
Downward Facing Dog, my ass!



Bless your Upward-Facing Ass.

monster 08-27-2014 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 908145)
I thought "Iyengar?! Who the hell is Iyengar?"

Iyengarna tell you

Gravdigr 08-28-2014 02:53 PM

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Veteran character actor Stephen Lee is dead at 58.

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This guy played in everything that was ever on television.

Carruthers 08-29-2014 04:17 PM

Bill Kerr, Australian actor and radio star, dies aged 92

He was ninety-one when he recorded the 'Shooting of Dan McGrew' without script or autocue. Post 238 (Scroll down)

busterb 09-03-2014 09:48 AM

Sheldonrs 09-04-2014 03:35 PM

RIP Joan Rivers. Parts of you were too young to die.

monster 09-10-2014 10:27 PM


lumberjim 09-12-2014 02:42 AM

Ach. Bummer.

I liked that guy.

Gravdigr 09-12-2014 04:04 PM

I always thought Richard Kiel looked to be in extreme pain.

Griff 09-12-2014 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 909421)
Ach. Bummer.

I liked that guy.


Gravdigr 09-14-2014 09:56 AM

Joe Sample is dead at 75.

Fuck cancer.

Sheldonrs 10-06-2014 11:27 AM

I never knew about all his accomplishments. RIP Mr. Holder.

xoxoxoBruce 10-06-2014 12:08 PM

He was a very impressive dude, just seeing him because of his impressive size and that controlled presence dancers have, plus that commanding voice. He probably could have started half a dozen central American revolutions if he had wanted to. :vader1:

Undertoad 10-06-2014 10:10 PM

Famous around these parts only is the legendary sports announcer Bill Campbell.

nowhereman 10-07-2014 07:51 AM

Paul Revere (of the Raiders) died the other day. 76 years old.

glatt 10-09-2014 09:38 PM

Jan Hooks. Only 57. Sad.

infinite monkey 10-09-2014 10:49 PM

Well that's just fucking sad. :( She was very funny.

Gravdigr 10-10-2014 02:10 PM

Damn. That was a surprise.

glatt 10-10-2014 02:32 PM

Clang, clang, clang, went the trolley.

BigV 10-13-2014 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by glatt (Post 911619)
Clang, clang, clang, went the trolley.

Pssst. That's not the trolley.

Sheldonrs 10-15-2014 09:46 PM

We're sad to report actress Elizabeth Peña, perhaps best known for 'Jacob's Ladder', 'La Bamba', and 'The Incredibles' has passed away at age 55. Rest in peace.

Gravdigr 10-16-2014 12:52 AM

That's a bit of a shock.

monster 10-20-2014 11:12 AM

Linda Belligham

Only last week or so I read an article where she said she was stopping treatment and hoped to die peacefully in January, so I'm kind of shocked it happened so soon

Now I'll have to rething my 2015 pool list.... :eek:

I saw an article asking people if the thought ebola or ISIS was the bigger threat to America. It pointed out that statistically they should be more worried about cancer. (and moving large furniture)

Cure Cancer. (I'm sick of the "Fuck Cancer" thing)

Carruthers 10-22-2014 08:44 AM

Ben Bradlee

Ben Bradlee, the editor of the Washington Post during the Watergate scandal that toppled President Richard Nixon, has died aged 93.

BBC Link

glatt 10-22-2014 09:41 AM

This morning, the Washington Post gave him the front page above the fold and like 7-8 pages in the A section. I wonder how many they gave US Presidents when they died? Can't remember.

Reminds me of when I was on yearbook staff in high school, I was able to get photos of all my siblings into the yearbook, while the year before, when I wasn't on the staff, none of us were in there.

Carruthers 10-23-2014 01:10 PM

Bradlee bows out
We are all flawed...


The late Ben Bradlee, editor of The Washington Post during Watergate, is called “the least dull figure in the history of postwar journalism” in a personal obituary by David Remnick in The New Yorker. Bradlee, who Remnick says was an “expert in the art of florid dismissal”, liked to dictate his correspondence into a recorder but his secretary struggled with his industrial language. On one occasion she had to go and ask the advice of the custodian of the paper’s style guide: “Is ‘dickhead’ one word or two?”
The Times

xoxoxoBruce 10-23-2014 07:41 PM


Gravdigr 10-25-2014 01:28 PM

Legendary bass man Jack Bruce is dead at 71.


Griff 10-25-2014 04:37 PM


monster 11-02-2014 07:09 PM

Acker Bilk

xoxoxoBruce 11-02-2014 08:20 PM

Maybe his album I bought in 1962 will be worth something. :rolleyes:

BigV 11-03-2014 02:52 PM

Car Talk host Tom Magliozzi dies at 77.


Carruthers 11-03-2014 02:57 PM

Tom Magliozzi

Tom Magliozzi, Popular Co-Host Of NPR's 'Car Talk,' Dies At 77

I always listened to Car Talk on my trips to the US and subsequently on the Internet.

The great thing about about that programme was that you didn't have to have any interest in cars in order to enjoy it. The infectious laughter and banter was what made it.

RIP Old chap.

Posted at the same time as BigV.

Gravdigr 11-03-2014 05:30 PM

Hey, did you guys hear that Tom Magli--oh, you did.


How do you know if you've got a good mechanic? By the size of his boat.
~Tom Magliozzi

Sheldonrs 11-04-2014 01:33 PM

I was surprised to read that he had worked until 2012 and died of Alzheimers. That's a very short time compared with most.

I loved that show whenever I listened to it and I don't even drive.

glatt 11-04-2014 01:39 PM

I was surprised as well, but if he just sat there and chuckled while his brother did the talking, I can see how that might work.

Clodfobble 11-04-2014 07:17 PM

It's also common with Alzheimer's to remember old stuff just fine, it's the new memories that don't stick. They can't find their way home, but can tell you with precise detail how to get to the house they grew up in. Maybe he remembered the car stuff longer than the rest of it.

classicman 11-05-2014 09:21 AM


infinite monkey 11-20-2014 02:13 PM

RIP Mike Nichols. Thank you for directing (and producing, in some cases) so many wonderful films such as (partial list):

2007 Charlie Wilson's War
2004 Closer
1998 Primary Colors
1996 The Birdcage
1991 Regarding Henry
1990 Postcards from the Edge
1988 Working Girl
1988 Biloxi Blues
1986 Heartburn
1983 Silkwood
1971 Carnal Knowledge
1970 Catch-22
1967 The Graduate
1966 Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?

Those of us who live in the land of FilmBuffington mark this a very sad day, indeed. :(

footfootfoot 11-20-2014 02:19 PM

Sheldonrs 11-21-2014 08:58 AM

Her titles are too long for this title
RIP Duchess of Alba.

DanaC 11-21-2014 10:01 AM



The duchess, known for her frizzy white hair and squeaky voice, raised eyebrows nationwide and outraged her six children in 2011 when at the age of 85 she wed for a third time, marrying civil servant Alfonso Diez who was 25 years her junior.

At the wedding, she thrilled a crowd of several hundred when she hiked up her dress and did some flamenco dance steps on a red carpet at the palace, a 15th-century residence in the cobblestoned old quarter of Seville.

monster 11-27-2014 11:45 AM

PD James and Phillip Hughes

footfootfoot 11-27-2014 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by monster (Post 915065)

terribly sad for Hughes' family. Imagine what the bowler must be going through, I'm guessing cricket doesn't have the same phenomena of pitchers intentionally hitting batters like we do here.

Gravdigr 11-27-2014 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by monster (Post 915065)


I think while I am alive, I shall write. There will be a time to stop writing but that will probably be when I come to a stop, too.
~PD James

monster 11-27-2014 05:36 PM

I just recently got a PD James novel out of the library because she sounded like an author I might enjoy, but I just couldn't get into it, so I returned it mostly unread. Maybe I'll try again

orthodoc 11-27-2014 08:49 PM

PD James. :sniff:

Sheldonrs 12-02-2014 03:58 PM

Bobby Keys:

footfootfoot 12-04-2014 04:13 PM

Paul Ferrara has left the building

Paul Ferrara, drummer for Al Hirt and Louis Prima, has died at 76

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