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Kitsune 08-01-2006 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL
What they may end up with is a law requiring permits to use the park, as some Jersey Shore and Delaware communities have for beach access, and many places have for parking in certain zones. Apparently they already tried a system requiring permits for gatherings more than 25, and FNB found a way to beat that. Perhaps use-permitting with differential access for residents and non-residents.

This is an interesting idea I've not seen used in any park I've been to, before. I think FNB is beating the permit system by not having genuine organized groups -- they may only use a handful of people that enter the park together. A lot of parks I've seen, lately, get funded with taxpayer dollars and are still open to the public. They're not fully accessible to anyone out side the community, though, as the entire community is gated off. Only those that live behind the gate fund the park. Almost, in essence, an HOA.

MaggieL 08-01-2006 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune
They're not fully accessible to anyone out side the community, though, as the entire community is gated off.

Yeah, that's not practical in this case based on the satellite imagery.

rkzenrage 08-02-2006 12:52 AM

At what point do the "authorities" decide to "ask" those receiving the food if they are homeless?
Is the next step a law that all within the Vegas city limits without a permanent address in Nevada wear an arm-band? A tattoo perhaps?
How is this to be done?

wolf 08-02-2006 02:09 AM

I had an opportunity tonight to talk to the Director of the local homeless shelter. I asked her about her successes, since, as it has been pointed out, I don't ever see people who do well. She said that they do indeed have them ... this week alone she has placed six people in apartments. This is an unusually high number. She didn't say what was more typical.

She was quite excited, since hers is a relatively new program, and they've been needing the boost. They usually have 60-70 people staying at their casual shelter (folks are taken by vans to different places in the county each night, usually churches or community centers. They will be opening a 50-bed permanent shelter in the near future, apparently once some life-safety code stuff gets taken care of in their building.

She is hoping that similar programs get started in the Western and Eastern parts of the county, but it is not an easy task, given the NIMBY aspects of homeless programs of any kind. The benefits of opening other shelters is that it would allow each section of the county to focus on service provision for their own homeless residents. The idea is to keep people in their own communities, rather than foist the problem on some other part of the county, or on another county.

wolf 08-02-2006 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
At what point do the "authorities" decide to "ask" those receiving the food if they are homeless?

Soup kitchens and food cupboards are not the exclusive province of the homeless. Many folks with limited incomes or resources make use of these programs. The homeless are the ones that you think of first, however.

rkzenrage 08-02-2006 02:33 AM

So, if they are just scruffy looking apartment dwellers that is perfectly legal and no officer of the law would raise a ruckus I take it, since no arm-band, chip-implant or tattoo would be present, right?

wolf 08-02-2006 02:45 AM

Soup kitchens and food cupboards are charitable organizations that operate from a fixed location that is either owned or leased by the organization. It is not a couple of tables (or even a stack of boxes) in a public park where the homeless loiter.

rkzenrage 08-02-2006 03:03 AM

If someone makes a van or bus into one and that is what it is to them, then it is one. Who made you the authority on soup kitchens?

Kitsune 08-02-2006 08:01 AM

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All this talk of soup is making me hungry.

MaggieL 08-02-2006 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune
All this talk of soup is making me hungry.

At 8:01am, soup is only part of this compelete breakfast...

Kitsune 08-02-2006 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL
At 8:01am, soup is only part of this compelete breakfast...

If I can have breakfast all day at IHOP, I should be able to find soup at 8am. Anything from lobster bisque to Chunky Sirloin Burger will do nicely.

Say, what kind of soup do the homeless get at kitchens, anyways?

Ibby 08-02-2006 09:37 AM

YOU ASK WHAT KIND OF SOUP?!

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Shawnee123 08-02-2006 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram
YOU ASK WHAT KIND OF SOUP?!

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

:p

As to what kind of soup? What goes in "gruel?"

capnhowdy 08-02-2006 06:41 PM

mmmmmmm..... Homeless people soup....yummy!

Spexxvet 08-02-2006 07:25 PM

Be careful of the bones.


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