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Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 07:31 PM
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Poll: personhood
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Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 07:28 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
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Posted By henry quirk
“If life is common, and free will where there's...

“If life is common, and free will where there's life is common, where does the "humans are special" part come in?”

‘If’

As you say: we don’t know, may not ever know, may not be able to know.
...
Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 07:05 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
“Also, if you can tell me what an Octopus is...

“Also, if you can tell me what an Octopus is thinking and why it doesn't have self-awareness, I'd love to hear it.”

I can’t tell you what Mr. Puss is thinkin’ any more than I can tell you what...
Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 06:56 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
I know all this. The fact remains: matter, mostly...

I know all this. The fact remains: matter, mostly in the form of hydrogen, is rare; organized matter (complex molecules) are rarer still; living matter is even rarer; and - rarest of all - is...
Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 06:44 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
“Like, what is free will? How does it work? Where...

“Like, what is free will? How does it work? Where does it come from? Do those kinds of questions interest you? Because that's what I'm interested in.”

That’s what we’ve been doin’: me, tellin’ you...
Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 04:46 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
meh

meh
Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 01:18 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
Also: it’s just dumb to say I abuse definitions...

Also: it’s just dumb to say I abuse definitions when even a casual review shows there is no consensus of what constitutes person, personhood, free will, agency, etc.

That is: none of this settled,...
Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 01:03 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
“You've intertwined the discussed concepts of...

“You've intertwined the discussed concepts of human, person, and free will”

Cuz I believe them, in context, to be synonymous.

#

“You HAVE "free will" and that means you can BE a "free...
Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 12:57 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
More than once Flint has asserted we think we’re...

More than once Flint has asserted we think we’re special only cuz we feel that way.

Let’s see if we can establish the human being’s uniqueness, his specialness based on what we currently know.
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Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 11:46 AM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
“Free will is an agent THAT (not who) enables...

“Free will is an agent THAT (not who) enables humans to suss out their reasons...etc.”

I disagree. Free will is the agent which is the person which, in your case is, sexobon, and, in my case, is...
Forum: Philosophy 10-13-2019, 10:22 AM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
“This is tedious.”

Yes, it is.

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“Look, there's more molecules in one teaspoon of brain cells than there are grains of sand on every beach in the world. We can't possibly understand or predict every chemical...
Forum: Philosophy 10-12-2019, 05:45 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
Smile “Your body weighs exactly the same dead or...

“Your body weighs exactly the same dead or alive.”

Weighs the same, sure, but is not exactly the same, yeah?

#

“So the something else is weightless or imaginary?”

Mebbe the sumthin’ more...
Forum: Philosophy 10-12-2019, 02:52 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
“What the poll is really asking-- whether people...

“What the poll is really asking-- whether people believe we're full of magic”

If that’s how you wanna interpret it, that’s fine: but that ain’t what I asked.
Forum: Philosophy 10-12-2019, 02:46 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
“Third option is what I've been saying. We have...

“Third option is what I've been saying. We have free will to make a prescribed set of choices from a limited set of options that we were designed for.”

That’s not free will. That’s determinism....
Forum: Philosophy 10-12-2019, 01:40 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
If you have a third option, one you think is more...

If you have a third option, one you think is more ‘realistic’, please, offer it up.
Forum: Philosophy 10-12-2019, 12:40 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
please, note the poll

votes are anonymous: you can vote honestly

me: I say we’re sumthin’ more
Forum: Philosophy 10-12-2019, 09:41 AM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
“it "feels" like we're in control”

Cuz mebbe we are.

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“Free will is the "random mutation" of behavioral evolution, that's all.”

Or mebbe free will (the agent) is sumthin’ more, sumthin’ better.

As Flint sez: “We're not...
Forum: Philosophy 10-11-2019, 09:22 AM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
Flint

I'm a big proponent for our having (being) free wills (specifically: agent causation [which is to say, I stand in opposition to determinism]).

What I'm wonderin': How do you square "We’re running...
Forum: Philosophy 10-10-2019, 08:13 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
Yes, you are. Now, exactly what it is that...

Yes, you are.

Now, exactly what it is that makes you a person rather than a bio-robot?

We kinda touched on those qualities or characteristics up-thread, self-awareness mebbe bein’ chief among...
Forum: Current Events 10-10-2019, 08:05 PM
Replies: 22
Views: 705
Posted By henry quirk
Forum: Philosophy 10-09-2019, 08:31 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
"There must be some original thought or free will...

"There must be some original thought or free will in ya to decide to hit the reply button, and then to choose the words ya did."

Well, some folks say "We’re running a program written in the code...
Forum: Nothingland 10-09-2019, 07:22 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 1,099
Posted By henry quirk
"How can you have a negative doe?"

In the same way you can have unicorns and leprechauns: it's a language trick.
Forum: Philosophy 10-09-2019, 07:18 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
"But there are cases where the parasite isn't...

"But there are cases where the parasite isn't just feeding off of, or damaging us, but actively controlling our behavior. Toxoplasmosis makes mice unafraid of cats, and seems to cause increased...
Forum: Philosophy 10-09-2019, 06:31 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
"Are they aware that they control the entire planet?"

But do they?

Symbiosis is not the same as parasitism.

Take gut flora, for example: mutually advantageous.

On the other hand: ticks bring nuthin' to the table but disease.

Mebbe among the...
Forum: Philosophy 10-09-2019, 06:22 PM
Replies: 110
Poll: personhood
Views: 1,275
Posted By henry quirk
"humans are utterly unique"°

And not only for the very good reasons you list. Consider: matter makes up only 4% of the universe, and most of that is hydrogen. Organized matter is rare, and organized matter that consciously...
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