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Old 07-07-2004, 10:11 PM   #11
Radar
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Oh, I see now, Radar... I hadn't realized that you were actually there, and witnessed the entire event. I assume you were there personally, because that's the only way you could know these minute details which are not disclosed in the article, many of which actually contradict the text of the article.
Oh, you mean like the way you knew the exchange took 20 minutes?

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And I didn't realize that I can't enforce anything on my property without erecting a warning sign... I'd better get started making signs, otherwise the pizza guy will be within his rights to start harrassing my houseguests when he gets here..
Nobody said you had to have a warning sign, but you can't expect someone to know what behavior you do or do not condone on your property without one. Handing out voter registration forms is perfectly socially acceptable in virtially all locations without anyone being upset so most wouldn't assume you'd be put off by it.

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the fact that I ordered a pizza is his pass onto my property! And if I ask him to leave, apparently he can argue with me about it for an indefinite amount of time, while continuing to harrass my houseguests! And I can't call the cops, because the pizza guy is acting within his RIGHTS!
If you order a pizza and he delivers it and you don't pay him, he won't leave your property and he'd be more than happy for you to call the police. And if he were to hand out voter registration forms to your guests while waiting for the police, he still hasn't committed trespass.

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If that's Libertarianism, I want no part in it. I prefer freedom, and the property rights that come with it.
That is libertarianism. In libertarianism you do get your freedom and your property rights. But in Libertarianism your property rights don't override the rights of others to express themselves freely. You may ask someone to leave your home and even force them to leave if they don't comply. But if they are discussing it with you to see if you can work out a compromise and then leave after the conversation, your rights haven't been violated. Your rights don't include silencing anyone no matter what property you own. If you don't like that, I suppose you don't like libertarianism, or natural rights, or human nature, or reality.

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is handing out voter registration forms considered solicitation?
It most certainly is not. Solicitation would be if they were selling voter registration forms or magazine subscriptions, etc. They were handing out a government form and had nothing to gain by doing it so it is not solicitation.

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Very true. In actuality, I agree with many aspects of true Libertarianism, just not Radar's strange version of it. My anti-Libertarian jab was meant to make a logical point using irony, not intended as a true criticism against Libertarianism itself. I wasn't sure if I made that clear enough in my posting.
I don't have a version of Libertarianism. I use the same version of libertarianism that has been used by all libertarians for the last 300+ years. Your attempts to point out irony have failed because nothing I've said contradicts libertarianism.

This woman did not violate anyone's rights, especially not property rights and anyone who claims she did is a liar. She exercised her rights and did not violate anyone else's rights. That is the essence of libertarianism.

And for the example you used, let's say the pizza guy lives next door to you and he wants to stand on the edge of his yard and hand out voter registration forms to your guests who come close enough for him to hand them the form. You have no legal right to stop him.
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