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Old 09-03-2004, 10:32 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by jaguar
It's interesting, in the same breath, you seem to suggest that actions such as

are just routine efforts to keep the provinces under control and justifiable.
please point out to me in my words where i said that was justifiable.

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Thankyou for illustrating, perfectly, my point. Both in moral absolutism and situational ignorance for that matter.
do you operate soley as an intellectual to the point that you don't see that no matter what the situation is, targeting children is wrong - no matter who is doing it. you seem to be missing the fact that i am not condoning russia's behavior. i didn't say Russians are allowed to do XYZ but Chechens are not. i said anyone who targets innocent (not carrying weapons) civilians is filth. it doesn't matter their ideology.

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had happened to your sister, then your mother, you might start feeling differently about the wall of indifference eminating from moscow and the innocence of those who did nothing to stop or supported these actions in their name.
yes i would feel more strongly about the situation but the entire world wouldn't devolve into shades of gray. there are some things that are just wrong no matter the context. targeting innocent women and children because you can't seem to defeat the military is wrong. end of story. it is the action of a bully no matter whether they are russian or chechen.

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I'm not trying to justify this, I'm simply trying to give you a modicum of understanding of what is going on beyond simplistic moralisms for middle class americans.
this is not about "simplistic moralisms". this is about one of the few absolutes that exist in our world. specific targeting of women and children to make a political point is wrong. you can talk about history, shades of gray, and moralism all you want - some things are just wrong.

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Are things really that straightforward for you? When do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? When total war is waged on you at what point are you obliged or forced to wage total war in return?
wouldn't the needs of the many be for innocent people to quit blowing up while shopping? how many people benefit from that?

and from my limited understanding of the situation i don't think the russians were bored one day and invaded for the hell of it. didn't they send troops because of an attempt to secede from their nation?
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