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Originally Posted by lookout123

what source document are you using for your knowledge of Franks' anger at going to Iraq? I've never seen anything to suggest he was anything but positive about the concept of going into Iraq. His interviews, his articles, and his own autobiography support this. rightly or wrongly, Franks sees himself as a student of maneuver warfare and an excellent strategist. Franks approached this as a test of his abilities.

It was leaked to the press sometime after the Iraq war started. It was reported as part of some news articles about the Iraq war - when others were complaining about information overload.

from Bob Woodwards' Plan of Attack
After Frank's mini-explosion on Novermber 21 when he had gotten word that Rumsfeld wanted a commander's estimate on the Iraq war plan, the general soon settled down.

Other news reports vary as to how long it took him to settle down. He literally exploded over that absurd request - and justifiably so. Some reports suggest he settled down that day. Others report it took him many days to get over this rediculous idea of an Iraq invasion. But his anger was clearly justified.

Look at the numbers - the dates. World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked 11 September. By Wednesday before Thanksgiving, Tommy Franks is being ordered to plan the attack on Iraq - when we have not even yet invaded Afghanistan.

Back then he rationalized to his deputy Renuart, "Don't get too worreid. We'll just do what we can. I just can't imagine this is something we're going to be doing anytme soon." He was wrong. On Friday, 28 Dec in TX, Franks is breifing George Jr on Iraq invasion plans.

It was common knowledge that Frank was not the only general furious with this Iraq invasion nonsense. Military analysts even demanded to see the only evidence George Jr had that Iraq was building nuclear weapons. The only evidence were speculations about aluminum tubes. Today we know that technical analysts by the dozens were correct - those tubes were only for making rockets - to duplicate an Italian rocket called Medusa. Even the company (Zippe?) who made centrifuges that George Jr claimed Saddam was duplicating said those aluminum tubes were wrong - completely wrong - for uranium processing.

Of course, you have read today the long NY Times articles that demonstrates how this admistration perverted facts to justify the Iraq war:How the White House Embraced Disputed Arms Intelligence Perverted is a word very appropriate to how George Jr decisions are made.

Miltary analysts demanded to see the evidence and found it lacking. Repeatedly, those who know how the work gets done were upset with the mental midget president's decision to invade Iraq. It made no logical sense. That is painfully obvious with what the retired generals were saying back then. An Iraq invasion was not justified. Franks was correct to be angry. Even back then, a war with iraq was obviously wrong - once you eliminate the propaganda from the White House and their mouth pieces - ie Rush Limbaugh.

Again I make the point that you don't have enough information to dispute what I post. Gen Franks was clearly furious when told to plan for the Iraq invasion. And he should have been.

Based upon far more information, I have conceded to this conclusion. To many sources - especially the video of him sitting in the FL classroom - say this president does not make his own decisions. He is told what to think. That, lookout123, is the daming fact that becomes obvious as one reads more facts - and discounts everything from the White House and its mouth piece Fox News.

Franks was furious that we were even talking about an Iraq invasion - because unlike the president, Franks is intelligent. Ironically, Franks even reads his own memos. Wish we could say that about the current president. Lookout123, if your sources are sufficient, then you too conceded this president does not even read his own Presidental Daily Briefings. He essentially admitted same in the National TV debates.

We disagree because - and I say again - your information sources are insufficient. Therefore you support a president who repeatedly lies. Once you start doing some heavy reading, you will discover this is a terrible president who has earned his adverse credibility throughout the world. (Please list how many leaders even visited this president during the start of a new UN General Assembly session. Why do they avoid this president in droves?)

He just sat their in that FL classroom for seven minutes. He did not even ask if anyone was in charge. I ask others repeatedly what they would have done if Andy Card said to them, "A second plane has just hit the World Trade Center. America is under attack." Everyone - yes everyone - says they would have gotten up and left the classroom immediately. George Jr never even asked one question for seven minutes. Seven minutes when fighter pilots still had no authorization to fire - to protect America. Why? I finally had to concede. This president waits to be told what his decision will be. That is why we disagree. I have conceded this president is even worse than I thought only one year ago.

This president even and intentionally confuses the war on terrorism - bin Laden - with someone who was a threat to no one - Saddam. Well at least he finally admitted on National TV that he knows the difference between Saddam and bin Laden. We had to wonder.

When, dear lookout123, will you recommend we go get bin Laden. When do we finally go after America's number one enemy? We are not doing so now because the mental midget president lies. He says Saddam was the threat. He ignores bin Laden - America's number one enemy and an enemy of Saddam. Even you must now admit - the president therefore lies. When do you think we will finally go after bin Laden? Please, if you have any credible news sources, then you can clearly answer that question. Lookout123 now being characterized as the typical George Jr supporter. When do we go after bin Laden?