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Originally Posted by Undertoad
I doubt you can solve this one even with the military on the border.
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Of course not. One never solves a problem by curing the symptoms. Reasons for the problem were demonstrated by a famous Cancun Conference that prematurely broke up three days early.
They need jobs. We have too much jobs. Why? For example, we insist on subsidizing the sugar industry by 50% so they will keep sugar jobs in this country. Wrong. Sugar is better grown where people need these jobs and where the employees cost less. Stop subsidizing sugar by 50%. Economics then says those sugar jobs go to where the illegal immigrants live. Then they have no reason to become illegal immigrants.
Again I refer to the Cancun Conference on agriculture. America and France were (again) world leaders against a free market industry. So adversarial that literally the entire world walked out. It caused further tensions of other world conferences and yet was little discussed in America.
You want to massively reduce illegal immigration? Then stop protecting industries who must then hire illegals. But we don't associate both government protection of industries and illegal immigration as a common problem. Instead we expect the courts, law enforcement, and at one point even the military cure a symptom by using force. The idea that more force will solve problems was the big joke in Tim Allen's Home Improvement. Anyone advocating more force to solve immigration is just as foolish. Instead we should be fixing the problem. Again that means top management. The people who run government - whether they strongly oppose illegal immigration or not - create the problem when they (for example) subsidize US Sugar so heavily.
Something like 50% of that sugar on your table is paid for by government subsidy. We need more (illegal) Mexicans to grow and harvest that sugar - or harvest those mushrooms. That sugar is better grown where people need the jobs. But it will not happen when government so massively subsidized whole industries - especially sugar.
Those who fear free trade only make illegal immigration necessary.