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The perspective of the enemy is critically important when developing intelligence approaches that are not torture.
If you would like, the American public could have a debate about what constitutes torture and when it should be applied. That would be one way to set this line you speak of. But of all the ways I can imagine to set the line, the actions we're talking about fall on the correct side of it. It's not torture. And prisoners do not have the same rights as the rest of the free world. That's why they're prisoners.
And these prisoners aren't even Iraqi, so now you have mixed your metaphors. If Iraq is Vietnam, Guantanamo is...? Hard to keep it all straight, isn't it?
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