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Old 06-01-2005, 12:22 AM   #27
Carbonated_Brains
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Not to be snarky, but there have been so many definitions of "chaos" thrown around in this thread that it's merely an argument of terms at this point.

In the broad sense, chaos means disorder, and randomness is a manifestation of a chaotic system. There is no "order" behind chaos, because "chaos" is just a word we made up to define disorder! The question is "does the universe have order, or is it chaotic". Science points to a randomly assorted system with theoretical limits (there is an edge of the universe, for instance, and it began at a point). The body of evidence today suggests that the universe is chaotic with locally ordered subsystems. Entropy is NOT the same as chaos.

From a mathematical standpoint, chaos is a system with hypersensitivity to its initial conditions. There is no order, because it is mathematically impossible. But, chaotic disorder often comes in so-called "patterns", and can't be predicted, but can be generalized. I could provide a bunch of equations which "prove" (if you believe obtuse math) that chaos is definably disordered, but I did that a long time ago, and had a fine argument with Beestie about it.

My thinking is this:

There is a remote-controlled robot on Mars right now, so advanced that the world watched in rapt attention when it landed...billions in research funding was poured into it.

If you went back in time, to 1810, and described such a robot to anybody in the world, it would eclipse their sense of reason so completely, that it would be incomprehensible. Many would say that something so complex and advanced had to have been put there by God.

I believe in God. But I will choose science any day, over a catch-all no-responsibility claim like Intelligent Design.
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