[lookout123]

Maybe lookout123 will next report that bin Laden conspired with Saddam to attack the WTC?

please go back through my previous 3000+ posts and pick out the one where i even HINTED that this might be true. you can't - because i've never believed or said that - but facts be damned when tw's got a lynching in mind.

military is so strapped for troops that even recruiters are being reassigned to duty in the "Mission Accomplished" war.

proof? source? halfassed biased blog? i don't know, because you keep saying it, without providing any source material. i am not aware of this happening. i am in very close contact with quite a few recruiters, and jacked up things like this usually burn their way through the grapevine pretty quickly. it may be true, but how would i know? am i just supposed to accept tw's fair and balanced statement as fact?

Lookout123's favorite president said so.

second verse, same as the first... remember all those posts of mine? did you see any in there to suggest that i revere him or believe he is the best possible choice? if you find that post, please quote it. the problem is that i've never thought or said that was true... but again, accuracy is overrated - tw is out to make a point and git 'im some o' them conservative scalps.

proof is his political agenda - facts be damned.

what the hell are you talking about? what political agenda am i pushing here? i think my posts here have been about getting the whole story when talking about the issues.

Clearly the US also did not condone torture.

actually, i'm pretty sure the US did, and that has proven to be fairly unpopular. so your point was???

see tw, part of the problem here is that you accept what you see on some websites and maybe hear through the grapevine as fact if it fits neatly into your preconceived framework for the world, while discarding the rest. sometimes the info you get is 100% accurate, sometimes it may be less so. but you come to a conclusion, make a statement, repeat the statement, berate anyone who questions the statement, ignore requests for sources for the statement, then make personal attacks upon the person who asked for the source.

over the last year, we have gone 'round and 'round more times than i can count, and more times than the rest of the cellarites wish to remember. why? i suppose it is because i am just dumb and immature enough to get baited into your pissing matches. any discussion with you brings me back to the same conclusion - the problem in america isn't that people are so different or that different ideas are a bad thing. it is just that some people refuse to even consider that their position or idea may be incorrect or less-than-perfect in some way. you are one of those people. you refuse to answer any questions posed of you, choosing instead to insult the person who questions you. are you afraid that looking deeper at your own ideas might make some cracks in your foundational ideas suddenly become visible to you? just consider it. i'm not telling you that you are wrong, only that you will have better, more fruitful discussions if you consider that you might not always be right. you are guilty of the exact same mentality that the limbaugh/hannity clones hold - "if you aren't with me, then you are my enemy."

i have been wrong (more frequently than i even know), and i am aware of that. i try to keep that in mind in any discussion that i have. my perspective and forecast for the future may be incorrect - that is a large part of why i like the cellar so much. there are so many different perspectives to consider from a well informed, diverse group of people. i won't always change my mind, but every little bit of info has to go through the filter and help me organize my beliefs about _____subject. challenge is good.

because i don't know you IRL i don't know if this is really how you approach life, or if this is just your internet persona. as time goes on your facade of the unemotional, just the facts, warrior for justice erodes more and more. at this rate it won't be long before you can be summed up as a simple troll.