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elSicomoro · 06-26-2002, 08:28 PM

Story here.

The responses I've seen so far have mostly been harsh, from common folk to House Leader Dick Armey to Jerry Falwell...it seems outrageous to most people...it's our heritage, those judges should be impeached, etc.

The chances of this being overturned in the US Supreme Court appear pretty good...the vote in San Francisco was 2-1 against the pledge. But I am glad they made the decision and understand the panel's rationale for doing so. I believe the phrase "under God" should go.

Most of what happened today is based purely on interpretation. Sure, there are some facts involved, like previous rulings in this arena...but it all boils down to how a judge "reads" things.

While the majority of this country believes in "God" and "practices" Christianity, we have a growing number of people who don't believe in God, doubt God, or do not subscribe to Christian beliefs. While certainly open to many interpretations, this is my own interpretation of the phrase "one nation under God":

The United States is subservient to God. God being the name used in Christianity for the being considered the creator of all in the world. Being subservient to someone can be a form of respect, and we may tend to agree with that person's beliefs in order to be more like them. Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ, considered by many to be the son of God, both human and divine. Therefore, I conclude that our nation respects the establishment of a religion. In this case, Christianity.

(That took a while to flesh out. But it's only my interpretation and my opinion...you may have your own.)

In the end, God is subjective, unprovable. You may be a pure scientist; you may have two or three or ten Gods of your own. And the outrage expressed by some over the panel's decision makes me sick...I personally believe in God, believe in most of the tenets of Christianity, but damnit! Quit pushing your fucking religion on people. People like Falwell are the real freaks and outcasts of our society.

And what's wrong with "one nation indivisible?" That sounds kick-ass.

(LATE EDIT: My earlier editing was poor. Added or corrected words are in bold, except for "subjective," which was already bolded.)

06-26-2002, 08:28 PM	#1
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	US Pledge of Allegiance Ruled Unconstitutional Story here. The responses I've seen so far have mostly been harsh, from common folk to House Leader Dick Armey to Jerry Falwell...it seems outrageous to most people...it's our heritage, those judges should be impeached, etc. The chances of this being overturned in the US Supreme Court appear pretty good...the vote in San Francisco was 2-1 against the pledge. But I am glad they made the decision and understand the panel's rationale for doing so. I believe the phrase "under God" should go. Most of what happened today is based purely on interpretation. Sure, there are some facts involved, like previous rulings in this arena...but it all boils down to how a judge "reads" things. While the majority of this country believes in "God" and "practices" Christianity, we have a growing number of people who don't believe in God, doubt God, or do not subscribe to Christian beliefs. While certainly open to many interpretations, this is my own interpretation of the phrase "one nation under God": The United States is subservient to God. God being the name used in Christianity for the being considered the creator of all in the world. Being subservient to someone can be a form of respect, and we may tend to agree with that person's beliefs in order to be more like them. Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ, considered by many to be the son of God, both human and divine. Therefore, I conclude that our nation respects the establishment of a religion. In this case, Christianity. (That took a while to flesh out. But it's only my interpretation and my opinion...you may have your own.) In the end, God is subjective, unprovable. You may be a pure scientist; you may have two or three or ten Gods of your own. And the outrage expressed by some over the panel's decision makes me sick...I personally believe in God, believe in most of the tenets of Christianity, but damnit! Quit pushing your fucking religion on people. People like Falwell are the real freaks and outcasts of our society. And what's wrong with "one nation indivisible?" That sounds kick-ass. (LATE EDIT: My earlier editing was poor. Added or corrected words are in bold, except for "subjective," which was already bolded.) Last edited by elSicomoro; 06-26-2002 at 11:05 PM.