Thank you MrNoodle for your long answer ! What a success !
And thank you for reading mine too.
1) 911 / USA / Irak
2) Thierry Meyssan and
http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html
3) Solutions : don’t ask for immediate miracles !
The first time I saw the 911 attack, despite it’s a tragedy, I thought it was an opportunity to act wisely (USA would have been GREAT in trying to resolve world injustice and problems). ONLY USA have the power to do that, Europe is divided, Russia, France… too weak.
I’m sure you think USA do that ! But I don’t agree with the means they’re using :
- When Bush wants to bring justice, he’s not allowed to lie ! He MUST show the example in order that folks trust him. (Will your children trust you if you lie them ? I’m sure you act better than Bush does). Leaders must be the most worthy of respect of us. Even in a good purpose, US are not allowed to lie about mass murder weapons in Irak. They MUST respect the law of the ONU and not attack Irak before ONU decides it’s useful.
- Use of violence increases violence. Look at children or people.
- It’s a nonsense to declare war to COUNTRIES (Irak and Afghanistan) when on the other hand Bush says Al quaida is a NON GOVERNMENTAL terrorist movement that decides with self operating cells.
- So USA don’t have the right to change the government of those countries (even if it’s essential for Saddam Hussein, USA have to wait for ONU : I know it’s too long because when they have no interests, countries haven’t got the courage to interfere. Meanwhile in 1991 ONU allowed Gulf War 1.)
cf Griff : “You’ve responsibility of national defense. It does not give us the authority to do international offense”
Do you remember “Schindler’s list” when the chief of the Nazis camp realises that his power allows him to forgive ! That means do not reply by definitive violence but look for justice.
I would just like to know how Undertoad, MrNoodle or other people, answer to the questions asked by Thierry Meyssan and the link
http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html
These are just questions. If it can help you : IMAGINE IT OCCURRED IN FRANCE !
- It's the most surveilled area in the world but no video of the plane who attacked the Pentagone, has been shown by medias.
- “Payne Stewart, in 18 minutes had five F-16s around him in the middle of no where. In the most sensitive air corridor in the world, the eastern coast there, D.C./ New York, with these four planes all over the map. And they know there's been hijackings and Dick Cheney's in control “ “The fighters that were stationed in Virginia, just across the border from Washington, D.C., could have been flying at bust speed, which is max speed, they could have intercepted those planes in 15 minutes and saved all that tragedy. And the second airplane was 15 minutes behind the first airplane. So to think they didn't do anything about the second one makes it even more ludicrous”
- At the beginning medias said there were more than 4 planes. (like in the link)
- terrorists were Saoudian. Why Bush didn’t attack Saoudi Arabia ? It isn’t a democratic country, women’s rights are weak.
- the wallet of one terrorist was found at the bottom of a Twin Tower after they broke down. Isn’t it a wonderful luck ?
- why nobody found mass murder weapons in Irak despite Powell said they were there.
Are these questions justified ? Thierry Meyssan is trying to give an answer. What’s yours ?
What are the other possible answers ? I’m open to every kind of solution
If there’s no other possible answer : Do you think the conspiracy theory is really impossible ? If no why ? STILL IMAGINE IT OCCURRED IN FRANCE.
What do you think about the example of Hitler I’ve quoted before ? He used conspiracy theory.
I’ve forgotten p22 that Hitler accused communist terrorists from having set the Reischtag on fire (doesn’t it look like Twin Towers ?).
Is it crazy to ask these questions because it already happened before ?
Solutions :
Let other countries decide what they want to do with their own territories and wealth. Respect them. Other countries don’t have to interfere. For a while we can let ONU decide BUT in the future nothing warrants that ONU will be wiser than other countries it represents. So ONU isn’t a good permanent solution.
Why Irakian, Iranian, African and so many countries natural resources belong to occidental countries or companies. Isn’t it unfair ?
The problem is that the world economy is based on unfairness ! We must rebuilt economical laws like FORBID BANK SECRET that allows and fuels mafias, terrorists and secret services. In fact I think secret must be forbidden wherever you can..
US solution is the one of an ending world. Perhaps NOW we have no better one’s ! But we must be aware it’s a bad solution. (As for me I still don’t think it was made on this purpose to be a solution against terrorism)
I think the good solution begins by ourselves because Politician and other leaders symbolise the major part of people. (There’s a more esoteric explanation too but it’s too long to write, (see ‘egregore’ in French))
We must be aware of what and how rules the world. We must grow up, became wiser thanks to HUMANISTIC EDUCATION (to give everyone the possibility to realise his own desire) and SOCIAL HELP. So it’s not for tomorrow, maybe the day after tomorrow if Bush and other leaders could invest in social instead of weapons.
Girls instinctively know that and often don’t care about politic. They less do war either.
Undertoad : Thank you for letting us your data base. The Cellar is the beginning of a good political solution by getting us informed, and freely make one’s mind.
Hoping there will always be enough freedom to go on !
Bye