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seer · 07-03-2002, 05:56 AM

[devil's adv]

I don't want to defend her by any means, but I wonder... what's the point of jail time? Some people here have some, um, creative ideas for punishment, and I bet many of them were popular in the middle ages, but are they valid today? Plus, who are you to decied who has children and who doesn't? That's not sliding down a slippery slope, that jumping head first off the cliff!

But Is even jail time vaild today? What does that do, really?

I guess it keeps "bad people" all together, away from the rest of society, for at least some time. Many people are let out before their "life", and what will they have learned from jail? To be a good member of society? I'm not sure of that. They might have learnt that if you get caught it'll be hell on earth, but that's not all prisioners learn. They learn the best way to rip off a store and most likely many other "bad things". I guess for social value they learn how to be a part of the pack/gang. They learn their rank in the gang. That sure sounds like "reform" to me.

They might gain more resentment for their crime... or maybe the system that put them away. They might make plates, or dig ditches, or some other job away from the working poor. Hell, they might even make Nike's.

I know I'm just talking out my ass, but I've been thinking about the death penalty a lot recently, and I can't understand it. How is killing someone for their crime any better than what they did? I can't and don't want to defend these people's crimes (and hers two fold) but killing them seems like what the bully might think of on the school yard. It seems childish.

Even Galdalf said "There are many alive that should die, and many dead that ought to have life... can you bring it to them?" Silly quote, I know, but it got me thinking, and the death question led me to ask "What is a good punishment anyway?" and jail didn't pop up. I can think of a lot of bad things that jail might teach someone, and a thin few good things.

[/devil's adv]

And yes, It's 2:50am, I can't sleep for some reason, and I'm thinking big thoughts about life and death. Must be a Tuesday. I never got the hang of Tuesdays.

Share the day,
Seer/

07-03-2002, 05:56 AM	#29
seer Provocateur Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Eureka, CA Posts: 9	i don't want to defend her... [devil's adv] I don't want to defend her by any means, but I wonder... what's the point of jail time? Some people here have some, um, creative ideas for punishment, and I bet many of them were popular in the middle ages, but are they valid today? Plus, who are you to decied who has children and who doesn't? That's not sliding down a slippery slope, that jumping head first off the cliff! But Is even jail time vaild today? What does that do, really? I guess it keeps "bad people" all together, away from the rest of society, for at least some time. Many people are let out before their "life", and what will they have learned from jail? To be a good member of society? I'm not sure of that. They might have learnt that if you get caught it'll be hell on earth, but that's not all prisioners learn. They learn the best way to rip off a store and most likely many other "bad things". I guess for social value they learn how to be a part of the pack/gang. They learn their rank in the gang. That sure sounds like "reform" to me. They might gain more resentment for their crime... or maybe the system that put them away. They might make plates, or dig ditches, or some other job away from the working poor. Hell, they might even make Nike's. I know I'm just talking out my ass, but I've been thinking about the death penalty a lot recently, and I can't understand it. How is killing someone for their crime any better than what they did? I can't and don't want to defend these people's crimes (and hers two fold) but killing them seems like what the bully might think of on the school yard. It seems childish. Even Galdalf said "There are many alive that should die, and many dead that ought to have life... can you bring it to them?" Silly quote, I know, but it got me thinking, and the death question led me to ask "What is a good punishment anyway?" and jail didn't pop up. I can think of a lot of bad things that jail might teach someone, and a thin few good things. [/devil's adv] And yes, It's 2:50am, I can't sleep for some reason, and I'm thinking big thoughts about life and death. Must be a Tuesday. I never got the hang of Tuesdays. Share the day, Seer/