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Urbane Guerrilla · 10-27-2005, 03:35 AM

It is our place as human beings to allow or disallow, Paul. Do not suspend your moral sense in aid of a political ideal. That was the error of the Communists, the ultimate antilibertarians, and the butchers' bill for that one was circa fifty million. I'm not going to make the same mistake, thank you.

Paul, you treat libertarianism like a religion, and a fundamentalist religion at that. If somebody isn't lockstepping with you, you don't want them in your club. I say phooey on that; it is the grave error that if allowed to take over the libertarian movement will destroy it. I do not conceive that party purity is at all necessary to undertake party action; since there is room within the Libertarian Party, if not within the Paul Ireland Club, for variances of opinion, I'm not too impressed with your hysterical, unstatesmanlike namecalling. So quit it, and grow some maturity, if you value not looking like some radical-politics bonehead. I am a libertarian, and all your naysaying cannot keep me from it. I am prepared to resist your shrieking for at least four decades, by which time I will be about ninety and you not far behind me. Now, Paul, if you think you can take being outthought and outpunched in the arena of ideas for four decades straight, I invite you to try me.

I never treat a political idea or system as a system of religious belief. For one thing, I don't expect any political party whatsoever to mesh entirely with the things I want in politics. I figure it's a pretty good matchup at eighty percent or so, and I assume there is a large number of people out there who feel the same. In politics, I invariably pick and choose. I seem to recall a Libertarian Party plank some elections ago that at least could be read as permitting spiritous liquors to any person age three and up -- or at least so went the story. Ideologically correct perhaps -- but real-world? Nah. We don't need stupid party platform planks, do we? Not only would I reject this kind of thing in a party caucus, I'd work to undermine it also were it to be adopted. Liberty's a fine thing, license is an absurdity, and worse than that if it kills.

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Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	It is our place as human beings to allow or disallow, Paul. Do not suspend your moral sense in aid of a political ideal. That was the error of the Communists, the ultimate antilibertarians, and the butchers' bill for that one was circa fifty million. I'm not going to make the same mistake, thank you. Paul, you treat libertarianism like a religion, and a fundamentalist religion at that. If somebody isn't lockstepping with you, you don't want them in your club. I say phooey on that; it is the grave error that if allowed to take over the libertarian movement will destroy it. I do not conceive that party purity is at all necessary to undertake party action; since there is room within the Libertarian Party, if not within the Paul Ireland Club, for variances of opinion, I'm not too impressed with your hysterical, unstatesmanlike namecalling. So quit it, and grow some maturity, if you value not looking like some radical-politics bonehead. I am a libertarian, and all your naysaying cannot keep me from it. I am prepared to resist your shrieking for at least four decades, by which time I will be about ninety and you not far behind me. Now, Paul, if you think you can take being outthought and outpunched in the arena of ideas for four decades straight, I invite you to try me. I never treat a political idea or system as a system of religious belief. For one thing, I don't expect any political party whatsoever to mesh entirely with the things I want in politics. I figure it's a pretty good matchup at eighty percent or so, and I assume there is a large number of people out there who feel the same. In politics, I invariably pick and choose. I seem to recall a Libertarian Party plank some elections ago that at least could be read as permitting spiritous liquors to any person age three and up -- or at least so went the story. Ideologically correct perhaps -- but real-world? Nah. We don't need stupid party platform planks, do we? Not only would I reject this kind of thing in a party caucus, I'd work to undermine it also were it to be adopted. Liberty's a fine thing, license is an absurdity, and worse than that if it kills. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 10-27-2005 at 03:42 AM.