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Old 08-22-2002, 03:11 PM   #111
Undertoad
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The view from Europe sees the approximately 3000 dead Afghan civilians as being a high price to pay.
The fact that Europe's body count came largely from the Taliban and is entirely wrong would be part of the problem.

The French also believe no jet hit the Pentagon, and that they don't have an anti-semitism problem.

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meanwhile there would have been Al Queda attacks in London, Belgium and Rome
I am quite baffled why you'd suggest such attacks.
The NY Post reported earlier this year that al Queda targetted Big Ben and Parliament for destruction on 9/11, but unexpectedly flights out of Heathrow airport were grounded.

I'll give you a few blank lines for that to sink in.




I don't think it's sunk in yet.




Look, the notion that "It can't possibly happen here" is one that we isolationist Americans no longer have. The result of not giving a crap was a shitload of death and destruction.

What will it take for Europe to collectively pull its head out of the sand? Didja notice that 15 engineers got blown to smithereens in Pakistan a few months ago, and they were all French? Didja notice that the official explanation for the torching of the Israeli embassy in Paris was utterly lame? Didja notice the Iraqi embassy that was taken over two days ago was in Germany? Didja notice that almost every European nation has a virulent anti-immigrant political movement gaining enormous ground?

The European attitude is one of detente. The devil we know is better than the devil we don't know. This is partly because they are MORE dependent on Arabian oil than the US. Europe gets like 2/3rds of its oil from there, the US only gets about 1 third. For all the people who shout that it's all about oil, you're right, and it's more about oil in Europe.

Meanwhile, your rant includes the notion that the only reason the US was attacked was anti-Israel or anti-semitism. See, again, this is the rape analogy: the US was "just asking for it" by acting provocatively... being friends with the dirty Jews.

If you believe that makes the attacks "okay", well, fuck you and all the nations that the US defends through NATO. (Or did I miss that fleet of Portuguese aircraft carriers?)

If you think it makes you immune because you seem to be gently anti-semitic, my advice to you is... at least, don't walk near the embassies!

The sorry truth is that Europe is desperate for the US to want that support. That's why the papers print stories when the State Department gives them a nod. The truth is, Europe doesn't have much we need, militarily speaking. Their military budgets have gone soft over the years.

It really bugs Europe that we could just handle this one on our own. Because the worst thing to be, on the world stage, is irrelevant.
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