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Old 08-08-2006, 05:06 AM   #7
Hippikos
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If you consult historians, then you would know they agree, one of Hitlers biggest mistakes was pushing the Eastern Front before finishing off England. That would have forced us to stage, much further from france, and made the defense of Europe much easier for the Nazis.
Well, nice to see you finally agree with me. Operation Barbarossa was a big mistake indeed, together with declaring war on the US, to the greate releave of FDR as the people of the US really didn't want to on war with Germany at all. Ask Joe Kennedy (father of JFK), US ambassador in the UK in the 1940’s.

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No, you conveniently forget the Lancasters couldn't be built fast enough, even with Canadian help, and couldn't be defended on long sorties. That's why they flew at night. The Merlin was a wonderful engine but only one of the great engines we used in that war. There were a bunch of crucial projects the Brits had started, and in some cases got pretty far along, before handing them off to the US, because they didn't have the resources....or the time....to develop them.
430 of the 7377 Lancasters were built in Canada, less than 10%. And because of only 156.000 sorties (of which 40.000 day missions), you conveniently forgot to mention them because they don't fit in your narrow patriotic world.
Re the P51; originally, the British ordered this design, whose fuselage was actually designed by one of the German designers responsible for the famous Me109 by the way, from the Americans. However, the American engines in the P51a series sold to the British greatly disappointed the Commonwealth Airforces. The P51 was relegated to ground attack roles where it continued to suffer. Despite protests by American Arms Contractors, the British experimented with placing the Rolls Royce engines in these bodies...the same family of engines already having proved themselves in the Spitfire series. The result was the salvation of the P51 series and literally of the Allied Daylight Strategic Bombing Offensive, without which the allies probably would not have won the war. BTW Chuck Yaeger preferred the Spitfire over the P51 saying that the more experienced and talented a pilot, the more he preferred the Spitfire over the Mustang.
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That's lend-lease, not land-lease...probably a typo, but changes the meaning, considerably. We'll loan or rent it to you....pay us back....I'm waiting.
Yep land-lease, a typo. Pay back…on May 3rd, 2006, the British Treasury Minister, Ivan Lewis in a commons reply said "Repayment of the war loans to the US Government is expected to be completed on December 31 2006," The final payment will be £45 million (as reported by the BBC).
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If you knew your history, you'd know that Germany, Italy, and Japan, were allies, even though we call them the axis, before Pearl Harbor dragged the US into the war. That is why the US declared war on the Nazis...because they were already allied with the Japs. Duh
I do know my history, but do you know your history? Germany and Japan were never allies . Actually, there never was any "Axis Treaty/Pact". It never existed. It was simply a term coined supposedly by Mussolini referring to the unwritten bond of friendship between Berlin and Rome which happened to be on the same longitudinal axis geographically speaking.
In fact Hitler Hitler betrayed the Japanese with the ‘Nazi-Soviet Pact’, Japan offered to pull out of the Tripartite Pact if the Americans would stop interfering in asia. FDR, actually needing Japanese membership in such a pact, not only refused but actually stepped up provoking the Japanese instead. FDR knew that even the Tripartite Pact didn’t make Japan and Germany military allies, but he hoped that he could fool the American public with propaganda that it was. And he did. To this very day, most Americans accept the propagandic lie that Japan and Germany were military allies. But to the Japanese, who knew they weren’t allied to Germany, this was a surprise. They had hoped the pact would be a bargaining chip the Americans would accept.
Hitler declared war on the US (not the other way around) in the hope that Japan would declare war on Russia, which they didn’t because in fact they hated Hitler for what he did with Stalin.
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You're recollection is correct. But why didn't the Japs fuck with Russia that was beating up their allies, Germany and Italy? Do you think the US might have something to do with that?
Yes, and China. Japan surrendered after Russia’s declaration of war, they couldn’t stand another front after being nuked.
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Since the Armistice was signed in November of 1918, and Teddy died in January of 1919, he must have been really, really fast.
My bad, of course it was Wilson.

PS: A lot of historians also agree that Hitler actually never intended to really invade England. If you have read "Mein Kampf" then you'll see that Russia always has been the ultimate goal. Hitler preferred peace with England, but Churchill never would have accepted that. He was obsessed with Hitler, which attitude has lead to the dominant position of Stalin in Europe.
Never the less the invasion of England might have lead to the invasion of Russia by Japan.

Last edited by Hippikos; 08-08-2006 at 07:31 AM.
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