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Originally Posted by MaggieL
Really? Which one of those have you joined?
And how would you define "anything like them"?
Would that include the Masons?
How about Skull and Bones?
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I have family in both the Klan, the Order and more secret organizations & we have had this, exact, conversation. They place people in government jobs intentionally.
The Mason's oath does not supersede governments and, yes, I know it.
I define "anything" as anything that places itself above civil government, especially those diametrically opposed to the civil government. It ain't hard... having to spell things out for you that are patently obvious to everyone else is getting very tiresome.