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Originally Posted by Undertoad
Not sure I'm in favor of it, but it does appear to actually work and work well,
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What they forget to mention (lies by telling half truths) is that he told so many myths and lies as to make the intelligence useless. All those Orange alerts did what? Nothing but prove how much useless information comes from torture.
Why was Nasir Abbas so useful? He told accurate facts. He was not tortured. As professionals note, when they are not tortured, then they immediately suspect their 'leaders' were lying. After all, only satanists torture. Americans that do not torture? How can this be when our glorious leader told us Americans always torture? Notice what professionals have been saying in direct contradiction to a lying wacko president. George Jr said torture is good? That alone raises red flags everywhere.
It amazes me how many 'big dics' in the auto industry insisted more crappy products out an assembly line is also good. Did not matter how poor it was just as long as product flowed. Same 'big dic' reasoning applied to intelligence. More talk is important - usefulness is somebody else’s problem. As professional interrogators state - and what 'big dics' hope a head between legs does not learn - quality and accuracy of that intelligence saves lives. That head between legs does not care 'why'. It only cares about feelings - reality be damned. Torture is justified only by feelings.
'Big dics' repeatedly insist that lives are saved by getting them to talk. Same mentality justified more crap from assembly lines. No difference. Quality is Job #1 - if we want to save lives. Those who have anti-American and wacko extremist politics advocate torture only because they 'feel' that it must work. Reality and logic be damned.
Torture is advocated by same who strongly insisted Saddam had WMDs - even long after the lies had been exposed. A damming coincidence, or a question about political agendas replacing logic? Many who advocate torture also were quick to believe lies about Saddam and WMDs. Obvious and scary is why this statement is more than a Monty Python joke: "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition".
Call it morality if you like. I call it using intelligence – first learning from professionals. Torture is advocated in direct contradiction to facts. Extremist hope you don't learn how useless the intelligence was from torture. Are lessons from Abu Ghriad that quickly forgotten? Is the threat of Nazism (or Christian extremism) so real in America that some would even approve of torture? Torture only saves lives when 'big dic' rationalizations (ie Saddam's WMDs) are quickly accepted as fact. No different than what promoted Hitler to power. Hitler needed only those who never ask embarrassing questions (Brown Shirts) - and who also believed in torture. I've just ask another embarrassing question. Why are those who believed George Jr lies about WMDs also advocating torture? Why has America become this scary? 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management - and to people we will vote for on 7 November.