[Griff]

Should effectiveness even be part of the calculus? If we operate like bad guys aren't we by definition bad guys. It doesn't matter what we are reacting to. I think folks who see themselves as the good guys are capable of at least as much evil as those who recognize they've crossed moral boundaries. During the Crusades folks knew they were in the right so they got comfortable doing evil. In WWII cities were bombed and burned by the good guys and we still defend it. Bin Laden knows he's a good guy...