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Originally Posted by Ibram
Does this mean we have to invade them, too?
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Appreciate a point I have been making since long before "Mission Accomplished" started. Long before the world or even UN gets involved in national problems, first it is the job of those adjacent nations. If Saddam was a threat, then this was first the problem of Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Turkey, Jordan, etc. And then it was a problem for the Arab League. Then a UN responsibility and only finally a world problem. But Iraq was not even a threat to any adjacent neighbor. If you did not see that, then you are easily deceived by a political agenda or extremist political liars. You probably also believe lies about Pond's Institute for younger skin and Listerine.
Sudan, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, Cambodia, Uganda, etc are/were all solved first by regional powers. Miramar is a classic example of a problem not being solved by its neighbors. Somalia is a problem for the African Union which is so overstretched as to (will) eventually call for help first from adjacent regions and then from the UN.
UN is also too overstretched - already with about 100,000 troops deployed.
When America decides to unilaterally solve problems (justified by a political agenda rather than reality), then America loses wars. Again the lesson about smoking gun, strategic objective, and exit strategy. But political extremists learned Goebel's propaganda techniques (see Rush Limbaugh daily brainwashing). Too many American failed to first learn historical fundamentals on how problems are solved.
Notice the powers that are getting involved in Somalia - adjacent nations. Ethiopia and Kenya. Notice that entire region is really in a mess. The old Colonial power (France) is attempting to provide support for some nations. But don't for one minute take a myopic (denial) viewpoint that Urbane Guerrilla, George Jr, and Rush Limbaugh have taken. One of the more responsible regional powers is Nigeria. Nigeria is falling quickly into civil war. A major pillar of the African Union may be lost. A factor that those with minimal grasp of the news would be aware of.
George Jr openly campaigned (lied) that Bosnia had compromises US military abilities. He lied because 'big dics' don't like wars solved by a peace table.
The Balkans is a success story where little military was used because diplomacy instead was implemented by people without a political agenda. And because the military used real world numbers - 40,000 troops per every 1 million civilians. Some Balkans are now national members of the EU. Others are ongoing through reconciliation. The Balkans is an ongoing success story; a problem solved at less cost because it was implemented by people without a political agenda. Solved by those who are - by definition - patriotic Americans.
Iraq is a complete opposite. As a result, two-thirds of the US military is no longer operational. How can this be if George Jr believed what he said about the Balkans? "Mission Accomplished" war is being lost because anti-Americans refuse to admit we created a civil war. A war that America cannot win. These anti-Americans also have you ignoring the pending American defeat in Afghanistan. Notice how the mental midget president does (very successfully) has us ignore Afghanistan.
Notice that even his closest advisors who warned of defeat in Aug 2003 were instead removed. Did you notice - or did you instead listen to Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and other anti-Americans? It was that simple back then. Did you understand this in 2004? If not, then just another reason why so many don't understand Somalia - did not learn the lessons of history.
We have no options. America does not even have sufficient military power to address Darfur and Sudan due to waste of American military and its equipment in Iraq. Maintaining an army too small - half way around the world - and by spending massively on corporate welfare and corruption in Iraq is destroying US military equipment, abilities, and success. Deja vue Vietnam.
Do you have any idea how much Iraq is costing America? For every one hour of flight time, a chopper requires eight hours of maintenance. That number is higher in Iraq. And that number also does not include maintenance to a supply line for that chopper maintenance. Choppers must now be used in Iraq as taxi cabs even between Baghdad and its airport - the country is that much anti-American. Costs of everything in Iraq have that much destroyed US military capability. Just another fact that those with political agendas hope you never learn. Just another fact that directly applies to this topic - Somalia.
Somalia will not promote the legacy of George Jr. Just another of ‘how many reasons' above say America cannot get into Somalia. America is being defeated in Iraq as so many advisers - even Bremer and Gen Garner were predicting in 2003. George Jr must do everything possible to maintain war in Iraq (even lose in Afghanistan) for his legacy. Don't fool yourself for one minute. George Jr's every action is about his legacy - even when it contradicts the interests of America. No wonder he hopes we don't ask this question: "When do we go after bin Laden?" Another part of the "do we go to Somalia" question.
Even if Somalia was in American interests, well, George Jr (proverbial liar) will not get involved. Somalia will not promote his legacy nor promote a neocon agenda. Without a draft, we have no ability to get into another prolonged war. Again the legacy of neocons who have a political agenda and therefore have Urbane Guerrilla knowledge.
BTW, this was America in 1970s as Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young sang "Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming." and The Temptations sang "War what is it good for... absolutely nothing". This was the attitude when the president lied so often that crime in the streets increased. That's right. When Nixion lied, then no one can be trusted - not even the police. "No one over 30 can be trusted". Another example of "85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management". Just another lesson you should have learned from history. These same anti-American extremists even promote 'more guns' as a result of their fears. Learn from history.
Forget Somalia. Their lives have no value in America. Far more serious and pending problems are coming - both domestic and international. As far as America is concerned, thousand can die in Somalia and we cannot even consider it. This is the real legacy of George Jr and of those anti-Americans who listened to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Notice how these anti-Americans even hope you ignore the Iraq Study Group report as America also ignored the "Wise men". More lessons from history. Deja vue Vietnam.