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Originally Posted by Aliantha
Your memory isn't serving you correctly tw. The Taliban never left Afghanistan. They just stayed quiet and let GWB's administration create a war in another country while they sat back watched.
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Correct that the Taliban were still in Afghanistan because Taliban - an organization from Afghanistan tribal regions (mostly tribes in southern Afghanistan) was all but eliminated. Clear majority opposed the Taliban - strongly disapproved of what the Taliban did to their country. Taliban - the organization - mostly disintegrated. People called Taliban quit - returned to their tribes. Those people still existed. Organization mostly did not. Remnants fled to places such as Pakistan. Afghanistan would be peaceful for first of the past five years while American promises - ie nation building - did not happen. As a result, the people called Taliban have reconstituted an organization called Taliban.
We can argue minutia all day. Taliban was all but dead with little hope of reconstitution IF Americans leaders were intelligent. If wacko extremist political agendas were ignored and if planning for the peace was executed (as military doctrine demands), then a Taliban organization would not reconstitute. But American leaders and their right wing wacko supporters so hated America as to not even ask this question - "When do we go after bin Laden?"
A conquered nation with no program for the peace will rebel after 6 months or one year. Distaste for Taliban rule was so strong that it took five years for Taliban to become popular again. One need only look at highest levels of America's government to appreciate why Taliban have returned.
Aliantha, the Afghan war - a war justified by a smoking gun - is still winnable. However an Afghan victory is becoming less likely with each month. Situation is deteriorating quickly. Why? Well look at the intelligence of an American president, wacko extremism of the real boss Cheney, and an intransigent ideology of those here who support those scumbag leaders.
Iraq is done. Last chance we had to win required 500,000 troops last summer. The Iraq Study Group has simply defined how to get out - an exit strategy - with minimal losses. Afghanistan is now quickly going the way of Iraq. Massive deployment is the only way Afghanistan can be 'saved'.
Deja vue Nam. Whereas the Wise Men in 1968 defined Vietnam as lost; Iraq Study Group in 2006 has defined how to minimize an Iraq defeat. American wacko extremists simply massacred another 30,000 American soldiers in Nam to protect the legacy of an anti-American president. That war ended in 1975. How many years will Americans be massacred in Iraq to protect George Jr's legacy?
In both cases, an American president ignored facts so that the defeat did not happen under his watch. In both cases, the president (and his wacko supporters) worried more about the president's legacy than about supporting the troops.
And so Afghanistan will also be lost. It could be saved if the president was patriotic - admitted defeat in Iraq. But he will not do that. He would rather have both Iraq and Afghanistan lost under some other president's watch. And then 'big dics' Urbane Guerrilla and Ronald Cherrycoke will rewrite history to blame that other president.
We are pretending Afghanistan does not exist. Afghanistan is a war justified by a smoking gun. Because of Iraq (as Aliantha accurately notes), American will lose its first 'justified' war. Special thanks to our 'big dics' who will say anything to support the mental midget and his unjustified war.
We all are not asking the only important question that 'big dics' fear: "When do we go after bin Laden." When was the last time you asked that question of Urbane Guerrilla, Ronald Cherrycoke, and George Jr? Having not asked that question weekly, we all contribute to a defeat in Afghanistan.
Afghanistan can still be won. But the door is closing fast. Why? Where do American patriots ask every day, “When do we go after bin Laden?” You know that ‘big dics’ will not ask that question. It is THE question that separates patriots from ‘big dics’.
No urban in Afghanistan? Afghanistan population was about 30 million. Iraq population was only 26 million - including the 2+ million that have since left Iraq. Where does Afghanistan put all those people if major urban centers do not exist?