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Old 03-05-2007, 04:21 PM   #11
rkzenrage
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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 View Post
But what if the person with the better genes is held back to begin with? Everyone should have the same starting point and let the strong pull away from the weak and then the next generation the same process continues.
Are you saying you would agree to holding those with natural talents back?

You are born with the same opportunities to do well or screw-up, there are advantages and disadvantages to wealth and being poor. I know wealthy kids that grew-up with no ambition and poor kids that have excelled due to the road-blocks they had to overcome.
You play the hand you are dealt as well as you can.

My communist/socialist scenario:
Woods, cabin A, cabin B.
A busts ass all summer/spring long chopping wood, growing and putting up veggies, hunting and storing meat, repairing and maintaining cabin so it is tight and dry, barn is large and in good shape for animals, plenty of hay harvested for the long winter, working hard all season long, taking care of well so there is plenty of fresh water.
Cabin B
Lazy, just enough to get by all summer and spring, traded cow for wood and drink, not really harvesting or growing much at all, not really doing many repairs much less any maintenance.

Winter hits and it is a doozy, cabin A has just enough to get by safely with enough to be able to have enough to continue to survive after the winter into the following seasons.
It is clear that cabin B will die after the second month of snow.

No sane person would think that it is ok to "distribute" cabin A's hard work to cabin B so they both die... he/she should die as their obvious suicide intended.
It does not matter if cabin A was, perhaps, a bit smarter, stronger or naturally more talented in farming arts, some of us just have to try harder.
It could have just as easily been the other way around with B being the more talented and A working four times as hard to do ten times as much.
I grew-up on a ranch/farm and I know this scenario, if you don’t do, you don’t get.
This does not apply to the disabled and mentally ill, but being lazy is not a mental illness or disability, those who work harder and apply themselves should get paid more, those who save and invest more wisely should reap the benefits of those wise habits, it is right and, ironically, fair, even though that is not relevant… what is, is that it is just.

I am dyslexic in math, it is very, very hard for me, but I have a near photographic memory and extremely fast at making spatial and abstract connections.
I had to work three times harder in math than average students, but loved the higher math classes and physics.
In lit, art, writing, and those kinds of classes I, literally, never studied. Cannot tell you how many times I have had the words "it is not fair" said to me in regards to my grades/test scores... bullshit.
I graduated on the national presidents list, Gold Key… now, my math was torture. Most like me actually went to the school and were tested so they could get their math requirements waived. I just worked harder, studied three times as much as most, so my degree was real, earned and not given with a caveat. I would not have been able to accept that.

Is it fair when the lion eats the gazelle or if the lion cubs go hungry, when one pride does better than another?
It is a stupid word.
Natural selection is the way of the world; the human race is no different.

Last edited by rkzenrage; 03-05-2007 at 04:33 PM.
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