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Urbane Guerrilla · 03-09-2007, 02:44 AM

Perhaps when tw can spell soundbite in a way that is not only correct, but non-obscurantist, he might be taken more seriously than he is.

And of course, the anti-patriot cast of his thinking causes him to utter trash like "only a fool would reason that 'if we don't stop them there, then we must fight them here'." If only he can lie to Americans enough, we might be conquered, which is clearly what tw will never admit to wanting subconsciously the way some people want food. Meanwhile, if we win there, they can't fight us here. Stands to reason -- the reason tw monomaniacally seeks to deprive us of.

Stupid, tw. Do you imagine yourself cleverly concealed? Do you think the rest of us are as stuck in the Sixties as yourself? You're a moron, boy, and will remain so due to your mental and emotional defects, compounded by your communism. Your way crashed of its internal contradictions. If my mind worked as badly as yours did, I'd cure it quietly with a pistol.

Having actually read a bit of neocon thinking, in primary sources, I'd say it's something not at all close to what you all are describing. The idea that a democracy prospers best in a world full of other democracies is not only just horse sense, but empirically proven by First World experience: democracies have no motivation to make major trouble for other democracies and numerous internal political constraints against making trouble anyway.

And contrariwise, who is it that democracies get into shooting wars with? Un-democracies, all the time. Not to say they can't -- the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and Honduras was between a pair of sort-of-democratic republics -- but the way to bet is the other way. Contrast that with the behavior of the non-democracies, with fewer political constraints against intemperate policies and actions.

Rkzen, if you'd like to point out the overweening parts of PNAC that you feel are out of consonance with conservative principles as you understand them, I should be interested to look at them also.

I recommend The Neocon Reader for primary-source material from the neoconservative "movement" -- it's too inchoate to use that term without quotes. It has more in common with a herd of cats.

One of many hits on Soccer War. Seems it should do.

03-09-2007, 02:44 AM	#11
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Perhaps when tw can spell soundbite in a way that is not only correct, but non-obscurantist, he might be taken more seriously than he is. And of course, the anti-patriot cast of his thinking causes him to utter trash like "only a fool would reason that 'if we don't stop them there, then we must fight them here'." If only he can lie to Americans enough, we might be conquered, which is clearly what tw will never admit to wanting subconsciously the way some people want food. Meanwhile, if we win there, they can't fight us here. Stands to reason -- the reason tw monomaniacally seeks to deprive us of. Stupid, tw. Do you imagine yourself cleverly concealed? Do you think the rest of us are as stuck in the Sixties as yourself? You're a moron, boy, and will remain so due to your mental and emotional defects, compounded by your communism. Your way crashed of its internal contradictions. If my mind worked as badly as yours did, I'd cure it quietly with a pistol. Having actually read a bit of neocon thinking, in primary sources, I'd say it's something not at all close to what you all are describing. The idea that a democracy prospers best in a world full of other democracies is not only just horse sense, but empirically proven by First World experience: democracies have no motivation to make major trouble for other democracies and numerous internal political constraints against making trouble anyway. And contrariwise, who is it that democracies get into shooting wars with? Un-democracies, all the time. Not to say they can't -- the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and Honduras was between a pair of sort-of-democratic republics -- but the way to bet is the other way. Contrast that with the behavior of the non-democracies, with fewer political constraints against intemperate policies and actions. Rkzen, if you'd like to point out the overweening parts of PNAC that you feel are out of consonance with conservative principles as you understand them, I should be interested to look at them also. I recommend The Neocon Reader for primary-source material from the neoconservative "movement" -- it's too inchoate to use that term without quotes. It has more in common with a herd of cats. One of many hits on Soccer War. Seems it should do. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 03-09-2007 at 03:48 AM.