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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I dunno, rkzen. Pierce's position is not easily distinguished from antisemitism, and antisemites invariably try and draw over themselves a veil of anti-Zionism.

How so? I think that Israel should be combined with Palestine to make one united state. I do not want to kick out the Jews.

Originally Posted by Merc

The most vocal anti-zionists are often traced back to some serious conspiracy theory groups who are wrapped up in Illuminati stuff and fears about Jewish domination of money, diamonds, the world, or whatever.

There are a lot of conspiracists that are anti-Zionist but not all anti-Zionists are conspiracy theorists. I am actually not a true anti-Zionist either. A separate Jewish state will not work in the Middle East but I am not against a non-violent Zionist state that would be placed somewhere that peace is possible.

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

What's a Zionist, then?

There are many different types of Zionists. That is why you can't give one definition. They all believe that the Jews should have its separate state but then they views usually split from there.

Originally Posted by UG

Better you should listen to someone with fifty years of world experience, over half of which has been spent studying and opposing despotism -- it's why I'm a libertarian in spite of any naysaying the likes of Kitsune or Radar can come up with -- than to two callow youths, one of college age, the other not yet out of high school, who are in the perfect demographic to be seduced by fascism's blandishments

Or, you could pick the best argument which is subjective. There are many aged people with doctorates that are pro-Zionists and there are many aged people with doctorates that are anti-Zionists.

I am also curious on how I live in the perfect demographic to be seduced by fascism's blandishments. Could you explain?

Originally Posted by UG

This point of view utterly ignores a historical fact: the Jews were in Palestine centuries before the current batch of competitors were. The Bible's account is in some considerable measure confirmed by other sources, such as Roman Imperial history, of which sources it appears Ibbie knows nothing. There's archaeology, too, of which Ibbie ought to know something.

So we should just kick them out? How about we bet them both live there since no one group deserves a piece of land over any other group especially when both groups have been there for the past 1,500 years.

Originally Posted by UG

What propaganda? --asks Pierce from his ostrich pose.

I know both sides of the argument and I have picked my side. I accept other sides and agree with them on some issues like I did with Undertoad. You on the other hand will never even look into the other side making you bias.