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Old 09-19-2001, 04:45 AM   #29
jaguar
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syc I swear we are on the same wavelength on allot of stuff - what I want to know is exactly what he'd prefer to the 'establishment' that I hear such people talk about.

Sure, the system is fucked, there are allot of very, very fucked up things. Read a book called Stark by Ben Elton, very, very funny but highlights allot of these things in a very sobering way. At the same time what are the alternatives. I posted on another thread in currant affairs recently my little summing up of the left and the right. I doubt you want Plato's or Asimov’s dictatorship, so what do you want? I mean its all good to bitch and moan and point out how fucking awful is but if the best solution you can offer is that by somehow ripping everything apart its all going to be fine you have some serious rethinking to do.

You sound rather.....unenlightened about the majority of political theory for the last few hundred years, you seem to see the US of A as the nadir of exploitative capitalism. Which is correct. Which is why I’m moving to Europe. I advise you read some of Marx, in fact I advise you read allot of Marx. Might clear allot of stuff up for you. No I’m not a Marxist his view of history is far to simplistic but there is allot in it.

And yea, syc - u have a point. I’ve come very close to moving out but it’s just impossible to finance properly and stuff at my age...which is a pity coz I’d love my own pad, and so would my girlfriend who I’m very close to. So it’d work well. . I'm waiting for a friend to finish uni early next year at which point there'll be a space in the place he's renting with friends that I might be able to take cheap which would rock.
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