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Originally Posted by queequeger
Bruce, you're still operating under the assumption that the northern european model is some sort of welfare system that passes out checks and takes nothing.
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Bullshit I know exactly how it works.
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Yes, they provide many services, but they tax very high rates as well. Immigrants WORK. Immigrants PAY TAXES. They do NOT GET ANYTHING FOR FREE.
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They do if they are not working. The services don't stop when there are no jobs.
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If you can point out something that a large number of immigrants who don't pay taxes use, please do. Any one social service will do.
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Again, fucking read what I said.
IF we move to a northern european model AND we throw open the borders, we will be broke.
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And no, there would not be 100 million people coming across our borders in a few years. I don't know if you realize this, but while we still have a reputation of being the 'land of opportunity,' we also have a reputation of being the land severe assholes who are in love with punishment. Whether you agree with this sentiment or not, it's held by a great number of people from all over the globe.
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You're buying into the left wing guilt trip.
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Think about it. ~10 million people choose to try immigration to the US... out of 5 billion (maybe it's 6 or so).
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Yes, 10 million have the wealth and confidence to give it a shot. When it takes less wealth and no confidence, 100 million is easily plausible.
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This level of hubris that is required to honestly believe that the rest of the planet hates where they are and loves where we are is ridiculous. Go to just about any country in the world and ask some locals. They love their cultures, they love their families, and they love their homelands just like we do. Giving up everything you've known in search of better living is a priority for some, but not nearly as many as you'd think.
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Yet 10 million of these happy campers face almost insurmountable odds to try it every year. Your case doesn't hold water.