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piercehawkeye45 · 08-26-2007, 09:03 AM

I don't see how that has to do with Kyoto.

Right now, there are two factors determining what is happening with Kyoto, GDP and greenhouse gas emission. If China and India limit GHG, their GDP won't raise enough to get out of 3rd world status or it will be dramatically slowed. If they don't limit GHG, there is an enormous amount of pollution going into the air. If we limit our GHG, our GDP will decrease and China and India will catch up to us while we are the only ones sacrificing for the environment. If we don't limit our GHG, we are doubling the amount of GHG than if we would if both limited them (assuming we release about the same).

They Kyoto Protocol says that we should limit our GHG while China and India don't have too. How does it matter to our signing of the Kyoto if China releases 100 tons or 100 million tons of GHG since they don't have to limit them in the first place?

All this is a "they are allowed to spew GHG, so that means we should be able too" argument.

If we sign the Kyoto Protocol, that would force China and India to control their GHG once they reach 1st world status. If we don't sign the Kyoto Protocol, China and India won't control their GHG even when they they reach 1st world status which will hurt EVERYONE later on.

This is a time where the United States should take responsibility and help be a leader in this movement, because even though it will hurt us in the short run in terms of GDP, it should help us in the long run.

If we invest in clean technology now, that means when China and India get to 1st world status, they will be forced to lower their GDP for environmental reasons and by that time, we will making money selling them our clean investments, raising our GDP.

I think there should be more with Kyoto Protocol to encourage China and India to limit their GHGs now, by giving them the technology of clean sources that will only raise them up to industrialized status though.

08-26-2007, 09:03 AM	#2
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I don't see how that has to do with Kyoto. Right now, there are two factors determining what is happening with Kyoto, GDP and greenhouse gas emission. If China and India limit GHG, their GDP won't raise enough to get out of 3rd world status or it will be dramatically slowed. If they don't limit GHG, there is an enormous amount of pollution going into the air. If we limit our GHG, our GDP will decrease and China and India will catch up to us while we are the only ones sacrificing for the environment. If we don't limit our GHG, we are doubling the amount of GHG than if we would if both limited them (assuming we release about the same). They Kyoto Protocol says that we should limit our GHG while China and India don't have too. How does it matter to our signing of the Kyoto if China releases 100 tons or 100 million tons of GHG since they don't have to limit them in the first place? All this is a "they are allowed to spew GHG, so that means we should be able too" argument. If we sign the Kyoto Protocol, that would force China and India to control their GHG once they reach 1st world status. If we don't sign the Kyoto Protocol, China and India won't control their GHG even when they they reach 1st world status which will hurt EVERYONE later on. This is a time where the United States should take responsibility and help be a leader in this movement, because even though it will hurt us in the short run in terms of GDP, it should help us in the long run. If we invest in clean technology now, that means when China and India get to 1st world status, they will be forced to lower their GDP for environmental reasons and by that time, we will making money selling them our clean investments, raising our GDP. I think there should be more with Kyoto Protocol to encourage China and India to limit their GHGs now, by giving them the technology of clean sources that will only raise them up to industrialized status though.