[queequeger]

I suggest you talk to Luisa, in the Philippines, to see how difficult and expensive it is to just apply to come here under the current system. That, with the odds of making it being so low, 10 million (your number) shows how many would come with no restrictions.

That's anecdotal. I could easily provide other stories of individuals to support my claim. I was asking for some sort of actual evidence of so many people wanting to come here.

And please, calm down the name calling and personal insults. All you do with things like that is make enemies of people who hold no ill will toward you.

As long as our economy can handle the rising number of immigrants, I don't mind open border policies, but you have to make sure that you can lock down immigration if it does become a problem because over population is one of, if not the worse thing that can happen to a country.

And this is a system I can get behind. My point (which might be why I've just been called a girl's name) is that acting purely out of self interest with no thought to the plights of others is beneath us (or should be). I gladly give to those in need, though I would not give my whole paycheck. So, I think my caveat of 'let's try 8 million to start, and work from there' would be a fine idea. Because after all, if the US collapses that ain't helping anyone, right?

And yeah, it historically takes 2-3 generations for an immigrant family to actually integrate into our society. All part of the plan, I think.

I don't think any choice is right or wrong, since different conclusions fits better depending on the person.

And I really like this way of looking at things, and have a similar one. I try to avoid the concepts of right and wrong as often as possible, because it so difficult to tell if those morals even exist. Raising has so much to do with it. I try to make decisions involving other people based solely on the net gain of all involved instead of 'who's right.'