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Old 04-30-2008, 03:03 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by Radar View Post
... The American government is exercising powers it does not legitimately have. It is writing and enforcing laws that are a direct violation of the U.S. Constitution. ...
Since the American government continues to do this, it is self evident that you are impotent to do anything significant about it. You've effectively been reduced to complaining in an internet forum.

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... Deporting undocumented immigrants from America is a criminal act no matter how you slice it. They are not violating any legitimate laws by coming here, and are forced into using someone else's social security number to get work. ... If the government commits a criminal act against someone, they have a take whatever steps they must to defend against that illegal action. For instance, if the government sends people to my house to take my guns away from me, I have the right to kill those who come to do it. Normally killing another person is wrong, but if they are violating my rights, it's no longer a crime. ...
Does this mean that undocumented immigrants have the right to kill U.S. citizens sent by the American government to deport them? It would make a fine loophole for terrorists.

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... If the government is violating the rights of undocumented immigrants, preventing them from getting legal identification, preventing them from working without that documentation, ...
Does something's not being illegal always mean that a right exists? Even if it is not illegal for undocumented immigrants to be here, does that mean they have a right to these things? What about the convention of public policy (e.g. there are no laws preventing females from serving in front line ground combat units; however, it has been public policy not to put them there)? Where in the Constitution are those rights of undocumented immigrants specifically enumerated?

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... I have absolutely no problem in violating illegal laws that the government has absolutely zero authority to create or enforce. ...
That's not a problem, the problem is with extending your position to undocumented immigrants; because, there is no reasonable expectation that they know the basics of the U.S. Constitution and laws derived thereof which are current citizenship requirements. Additionally, there's more to any country than its Constitution (or other) and its body of laws. When someone gives overwhelming weight to just one aspect of a self governing body and prognosticates doomsday if there's any deviation, it is seen as fanaticism by many. Bad things could happen; but, as any psychologist can tell you, past human behavior is not necessarily a reliable indicator of future human behavior.

That my friend is why I relegate you to the category of For Entertainment Use Only even though you are very knowledgeable on the Constitution and I have learned from you. Thanks for sharing.
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