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Originally Posted by NoBoxes

Since the American government continues to do this, it is self evident that you are impotent to do anything significant about it. You've effectively been reduced to complaining in an internet forum.

Hardly. I live near the border. I could help bring people here. I can make sure I hire them when I get a chance. I can call or write my legislature. I can continue a campaign of educating ignorant people about the fact that the U.S. Government has no authority over immigration. This is a very divisive issue and I'm on the right side of it.

Originally Posted by NoBoxes

Does this mean that undocumented immigrants have the right to kill U.S. citizens sent by the American government to deport them? It would make a fine loophole for terrorists.

Immigrants are not terrorists. If the government suddenly made a law that said all children under the age of 10 had to be turned into soilent green, and government people showed up at my door to collect my daughter, I'd be within my rights to kill those people. Government has no legitimate powers that each of us as individuals don't have to grant to it. Even then, government only has the specific powers that have been explicitly granted to it by the people. The federal government has not been given any power over immigration.

When government steps out of line and uses powers not granted to it, or when it works against the rights of people rather than defending them, we have a right to destroy that government by force and to replace it with one that respects our rights and doesn't step beyond the limitations on its powers.

Originally Posted by NoBoxes

Does something's not being illegal always mean that a right exists?

Our rights don't come from government.

Originally Posted by NoBoxes

Even if it is not illegal for undocumented immigrants to be here, does that mean they have a right to these things?

Every human being is born with the right to work for anyone willing to hire them, and every business owner has the right to hire whomever they choose. The government, on the other hand, has no authority to deport people, to require identification to work, to tax income, etc.

Originally Posted by NoBoxes

What about the convention of public policy (e.g. there are no laws preventing females from serving in front line ground combat units; however, it has been public policy not to put them there)?

That is a flawed policy. The government has no legitimate authority to create a draft, and since we are all supposed to be equal under the law, anyone who serves (straight, gay, male, female, catholic, jew, muslim, etc.) should have an equal chance of serving on the front line.

[quote=NoBoxes;449736]Where in the Constitution are those rights of undocumented immigrants specifically enumerated?

Rights don't have to be enumerated. That's what it says in the 9th amendment. Governmental powers must be enumerated. That's what it says in the 10th.

Originally Posted by NoBoxes

That's not a problem, the problem is with extending your position to undocumented immigrants; because, there is no reasonable expectation that they know the basics of the U.S. Constitution and laws derived thereof which are current citizenship requirements.

The federal government has the authority to create laws pertaining to citizenship, but not immigration. Most of the undocumented immigrants don't want to become citizens. They want to come to America, work to send money home, and then retire back home. There are no requirements about knowing the Constitution for immigrants, but they are still protected by it, and so are all people living within the borders of the United States of America regardless of their citizenship. Unfortunately, there are no requirements for American born citizens to understand the Constitution either. This is why so many are clueless about it and think the government has unlimited powers.

Originally Posted by NoBoxes

Additionally, there's more to any country than its Constitution (or other) and its body of laws. When someone gives overwhelming weight to just one aspect of a self governing body and prognosticates doomsday if there's any deviation, it is seen as fanaticism by many. Bad things could happen; but, as any psychologist can tell you, past human behavior is not necessarily a reliable indicator of future human behavior.

People are self governing bodies. The Constitution isn't everything, but it is the HIGHEST LAW IN THE LAND. It supersedes all other laws, courts, congress, the president, etc. These aren't the words of a fanatic. They are factual and reasonable.

Originally Posted by NoBoxes

That my friend is why I relegate you to the category of For Entertainment Use Only even though you are very knowledgeable on the Constitution and I have learned from you. Thanks for sharing.

Your opinion of me is just that...yours. You have every right to it. I'd be willing to bet most people don't find me as entertaining as you. Most people are probably bothered by me or aggravated by me. But then again most people are assholes so I wear their hatred as a badge of honor.