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Old 07-18-2008, 12:48 PM   #56
Radar
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Actaully it goes a bit more like this.


Lookout123: The federal government should provide meals for all hungry people.

Radar: The role and scope of the federal government is limited to only doing what is specifically enumerated in the Constitution. But even if this were an enumerated power, the government would be horrible at it, and we'd be better off with something more efficient like private charities.


Lookout123: I disagree with the way you INTERPRET the Constitution.


Radar: I don't interpret the Constitution, I read it. There is no "interpretation" involved. It wasn't written in Swahili, it was written in English, and the words in the Constitution specifically prohibit the federal government from taking part in or legislating anything other than the enumerated powers. This prohibition is in the 10th amendment which the founders wrote specifically to prevent anyone from claiming the federal government has "implied powers" and to place strict limits on the powers of government.


Lookout123: The flaw in your logic is that you don't agree with me in making a bogus claim that the federal government has any powers it wants to have including providing food for everyone.

Radar: There is no flaw in my logic. There is no wiggle room. It is a black and white issue. It's a binary function. The federal government may have powers other than those enumerated or it can't. I've provided a reference to the part of the Constitution that says in no uncertain terms that the federal government may not do anything other than the specific enumerated powers.

Lookout123: Have you considered that hungry people need to eat?

Radar: Yes, but this doesn't grant the federal government the power to feed them.


Lookout123: Oh, so repeating it makes it true?

Radar: No, the fact that it's true makes it true.

Lookout123: You are unreasonable and no matter what you say, you are "interpreting" the Constitution.

Radar: No, I'm not so stop lying about this.


Lookout123:
Oh, calling me a liar now. You have to resort to name calling.

Radar: No, I'm using an accurate description of a person who tells lies.

etc...etc...ad nauseum.
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