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Originally posted by joydriven
I already acknowledged that I don't have the kind of tangible, visible proof that you would like to see. Just as you don't have tangible, visible proof to disprove my views. All of us place our faith in something. There is no such thing as living in a vacuum. I don't mind my "targetness"  but I fail to see how I differ from those who have placed their faith in evolution, for instance. No living human was present to observe the universe's beginning, it can't be repeated, cannot be studied according to the rules of scientific observation.... And yet humanity has come up with all kinds of notions (evolution in spite of entropy, big bang, random chaos, long-day, survival of the fittest, etc.) that are equally if not more preposterous than the idea of a supernatural 6-day creation -- again, the foundation of faith like an evolutionist's appears to be, at root, nothing more than running away from the ownership/accountability of a God who created.
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No offense, but... are you kidding? "equally if not more preposterous" than the idea of creationism?
There actually <b>is</b> evidence of evolution. Stubs on snakes where it is presumed they used to have legs. A tail bone in humans that serves no purpose. Humans in Africa and other places that share traits with earlier humans/neanderthals (skull structure, etc).
I didn't run away from the accountability to a God who created. I looked at the evidence and made a choice. I used to go to church every Sunday and declared that Jesus Christ was my savior. But what I eventually came to realize is that what I was doing is believing blindly. There isn't much in Christianity that can't be explained by science. Take a look at today's news: a single child lives through a plane crash that kills 115 others. Undoubtedly, someone will hail it as a miracle and say that God kept the child alive. But you and I both know that professionals could look at the wreckage and provide evidence and reasoning showing that the child lived because of where it was during the impact, how it was seated, etc. God would be hard pressed to keep someone alive if they went through a meat grinder. His real power would be to stop it from happening. But he doesn't do that on any regular basis, now does he? We wouldn't be reading about these things in the paper if he did.
Taking a look at psychology and the way human beliefs work, it's easy to see that we want events and actions to have meaning. Going a step further, it's easy to see why man created God - to help ease the pain when tragedy occurs. It's not right that a five year old child gets shot in the head, and it's certainly hard to deal with if you're a parent. But it's easier if you believe that the child is in heaven now, and God took him because "it was his time". It's not appealing to think that someone shot your child for no reason at all, and now they're gone and that's that.
I'm sure you dismiss this theory, and that's fine. But I've just scratched the surface of the actual argument and, logically, it makes sense. Whereas the best argument I've heard from your side (though not you specifically) is "An invisible man made everything in six days!" First of all, it's illogical to think that he could possibly work that fast. And the attention to detail really throws this off. Plus, carbon dating sorta stretches the timeframe that the world has existed. And <b>why</b> would he make the fossils of these 6,000 year old bog people? Just 'cause? What would be the point?
There really <b>is</b> a lot of evidence to support the other theories. It seems to me as though you personally are just unwilling to truly consider it. And I know for a fact that many others aren't.
How do you feel about the Holocaust and the well defined theory that Christianity is directly responsible for it? Do you feel that it was "that time" for those six million European Jews, or is it really more like a fucked up shitty thing that happened because someone in a position of power convinced a whole lot of people to follow him blindly?
If you do not believe the holocaust was a good thing, then I'd like to know how you feel the indoctrination of Germans by the Nazi party (making them <b>believe</b> instead of <b>think</b>) is all that different than raising children as followers of a particular religion (and making them <b>believe</b> instead of <b>think</b>)?