[jaguar]

There's efforts to pass them now because they think they can use terrorism as an excuse. But the government just hates tax havens on principle.

Most of the powerful anit-sentiment has been from people inside the administration - they ahve millions stored there.

Actually, Europe is every bit as bad, only a few years behind. The European Union central committee has ordered all members to pass a law slightly worse than the DMCA by December 2002.

a: I'm well aware Australia will do anyhting the US does blindly. Europe blocked the GE-Honeywell merger. Europe has blocked various highly questionalble GE trials the US let though wihtout a second thought. Eurpoe has pased laws to strengthen and garantee the future of online privicy. Not perfect, but better.

The crux of the issue is that you believe that at the root of the terrorism problem is a bunch of legitimate grievances against the United States.

And waht do you think the casue is? A bunch of complete nutters that have the suport of most of the middle east for no good reason?

Continuing on from where i left off last night.....

After going though this very thoughly with a few people the general consensus is that
a: there re two paths the US can take ,force or appeasement.
b: its irrelavent which is taken, they both have the same end.
THe key issues are loss of cultural identity in a globalised society, the nature of islam and socioeconomic differences. UNtil these issues are solved there won't be a stop to this problem. Brace yourselves for 20-50 years of living a bit like Isreal, siege.

Theoretically eventully either Islm will comes to terms iwth hte new world orde or die out, and economic diference will be smaller, if not equal. Its a very long-term macro view of it, but its hard to argue again't.

Troops in Saudi Arabia are bin Laden's pet peeve, but Israel issues are far more important, IMO. There was plenty of terrorism before the US put troops in Saudi Arabia.

I'd say both are. As you said yourself its not about removing every terrorist though any menas, that impossible, its about removing the majority. Most Palatinians i'm sure would be happy with a state, and if that was then endangered by these grousp these groups would not be so popular.


dhamsaic aww poor baby.

Every time Israel moves towards peace, someone shoots up or blows up a few more Israelis.

Same in Northern Ireland, gotta tkae the good with the bad and work though it, not bow to the terrorists as you alwasy accuse me of doing right? Not retaliate by kill a few yourself, its a self-destructive short term policy that will cost more Isreeli and Palastinian lives in the long term.

You don't have to destroy every cell. Just destroy a large part of the organization. A cell structure is good for preventing a narc or turncoat from taking down the whole organization. It's not so good at remaking destroyed connections -- because limited connections is how the cell system prevents betrayals from being fatal.

Even that is not easy, moving money around is not hard, and can be done far faster than authorities can respond. THe sheer sclae of international travel, international money moving and the relative lack of transparancy makes it very easy for peopel and monentry assets to move around. I mean fuck a ew of thsoe terrorists on that plane were known ot the FBI and wern't even being watched, i'm sure thats changed but...