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Old 09-12-2003, 11:36 AM   #4
dave
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It's so cute how you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Israel fired the first shots, but they didn't start the war. Egypt illegaly closed the Straits of Tiran by military force - this was recognized internationally to be an act of war. Nasser said "We knew the closing of the Gulf of Aqaba meant war with Israel... the objective will be Israel's destruction." The Egyptian commander of of Sharm al-Shekh, from where Egypt warned they would shoot at any Israeli ship that attempted to pass, acknowledged that "the closing of the straits was a declaration of war." Nasser admitted that the war was not over the straits but over Israel's existance.

Egyptian war plans included the massacre of Tel Aviv's civilian population. Damascus Radio broadcasted the following: "Arab masses, this is your day. Rush to the battlefield... Let them know that we shall hang the last imperialist soldier with the entrails of the last Zionist." Hafiz al-Assad gave orders to "strike the enemy's settlements, turn them into dust, pave the Arab roads with the skulls of Jews. Strike them without mercy." He also called their forthcoming attack "a battle of annihilation." The Egyptian army was equipped with poison gas, long illegal in war time.

Israel would not have survived had it lost. The goal of the Arab armies was the complete decimation of the population of Israel. We're talking war crimes.

Israel attacked Egyptian, Syrian and Iraqi airfields on June 5, 1967. Israel did not attack Jordan in hopes that it would stay out of the war. Israel sent messages to King Hussein in which it stressed that they would not attack Jordan unless they were attacked first. They clarified that they had no interest in taking the West Bank or even the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem unless they were attacked first. Jordan ignored the messages and began shelling <b>suburbs</b>. Over six thousand shells were fired into Israeli <b>residential areas</b>, wounding over 1,000 civilians and killing 20.

Despite this, <b>Israel did not yet respond</b>, hoping that Jordan would just fire a few opening salvos and then limit military actions. It was only after Jordan sent its air force to bomb the <b>residential neighborhoods</b> of Netanya, Kfar Sirkin and Kfar Saba that Israeli air forces attacked Jordanian military airfields.

Then - this is great - Israel accepted a UN cease fire - but Jordan kept fighting! So again, Israel responded - <b>only now</b> capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank.

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But Israel started with Egypt, then Jordan, THEN Syria.
As I demonstrated above, this is plainly false. Jordan was attacked last, only after it had attacked Israel.

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If this was a "just war", would they have struck first AND waited just over 30 years to give territory back?
They struck first because if their air superiority was demolished, so would be their citizens. If a man comes to you and says "I am going to kill you and your family, and I'm going to do it right now", do you wait for him to strike? Or do you eliminate the threat?

I eliminate the threat, as do most people. Israel actually <b>waited</b> until it was beyond a threat. Israel waited until Egypt and Syria started to take action! But of course, it wasn't a just war. You are either amazingly ignorant or anti-Semitic. I leave it to you to admit which.

As far as giving territory back, Israel has never withdrawn from Golan - because Syria has not made peace with Israel, which is the requirement for their withdrawal (as is stated plainly in UN Resolution 242 - why don't you read it some time?). Israel withdrew from the Sinai <b>when Egypt met the conditions set forth for withdrawal in UN Resolution 242</b>. The PLO still has not met the conditions set forth for withdrawal in UN Resolution 242 (Jordan released claim of the West Bank to the PLO a long time ago), so Gaza and the West Bank are still occupied.

Regardless, when has it even been a custom for a country that <b>fought and won a defensive war</b> to give territory back? What does that say? "Oh, you can go ahead and kill us, and you'll suffer no negative consequences! Here, have all this land back! Please attack us again!" Get real. The Arabs are lucky that Israel even accepted 242, because otherwise they are under no obligation to give the land back.

Last edited by dave; 09-12-2003 at 12:26 PM.
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