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Originally Posted by lookout123
True. One of us lives in the real world and the other wants the real world to match a fantasy.
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In the real world, the largest democracy in the world would abide by the international treaties it signs.
In the real world, when the CIA Inspector General reports that many of the agency's interrogation techniques would be considered torture under US treaty obligations, the CIA would investigate and take correction action.....instead of pursuing a political investigation of the Inspector General for doing his job of holding the agency accountable to the rule of law rather than political influence.
In the real world, DOJ attorneys would have drafted post-9/11 interrogation memos based on legal considerations and not political direction from the White House and would not be facing possible disbarment now for their alleged unethical actions.
In the real world, most interrogation experts (civilian and military) would agree that torture is rarely, if ever, as effective as other means of interrogation.
The fantasy world is the one that you have bought into...the Jack Bauer/24 world that only exists on TV, but that the Bush administration sold to the public as the real world.
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Originally Posted by Undertoad
Nope.... because he was telling them good stuff. The rest of that same memo tells us that at least two out of the three waterboardings led to legitimate, and very important information, possibly preventing a "Second Wave" after 9/11. |
IMO, the danger is believing everything the CIA tells you and discounting everything that the detainees attorneys or independent agencies like the IRC reports.
I recall Bush or Cheney telling us about an al queda plot to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge...it turns out it was one guy with a handheld blow torch.
Do you, or should we, really trust the government that completely? When they investigate their own IG for reporting his findings? or destroy nearly 100 tapes of interrogations?