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Old 09-30-2003, 01:24 PM   #11
Undertoad
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USS Clueless points to this article in which Iraqi exiles return to their birth country and report back on what they find.

Are the Iraqis going to find their way to Democracy, or are people in that area of the world simply incapable of it?
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The IPO people went to Iraq with clear goals. First, they wanted to establish debating societies and newsletters in the Baghdad universities. "These are going to be the seeds of democracy," Yasser explains. "Once you learn to argue against people instead of killing them as Saddam did, you're on your way. We explained to the university students that they could have different newspapers - and even have different opinions in the same newspapers - and it seemed totally surreal to them. They just couldn't understand it. But when they realised that it really was possible and nobody was going to punish them, they were so excited that they were just obsessed.

"They were in the middle of their exams and supposed to be studying, but they insisted on writing and photocopying a newsletter that they distributed everywhere. They wrote articles on amazing things they could find out about on the internet - philosophy and art and the difference between proportional representation and first-past-the-post! It was the best thing in my life, seeing that," Yasser says.
The best thing reading it, too. Democracy was second nature for Americans, because an independent spirit is practically part of our DNA. The ex-Monarchies of Europe found their way to Democracy. The fascists found their way. The religious warriors of Japan found their way. It seems the Persian/Arab sort can do it too. This is wonderful reason for hope.

The article says maybe it isn't foriegn terrorists making all the trouble, and points out what the coalition did wrong:
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Despite his vigorous support for the war, Yasser has no doubt that the occupying coalition made one massive error when they took charge. "They didn't round up all the former members of Saddam's security services, and we're paying the price now," he explains. "My aunt lives in a slum in north-west Baghdad, and on 9 April [the day Saddam's statue was toppled] everyone in the security services disappeared. They all ran away because they knew they would be killed by Iraqis or captured by the Americans. But after two months, they began to trickle back. The man who lives opposite my aunt was part of Saddam's secret police, and he's reappeared and he's just carrying on as if nothing happened. He terrifies everyone just by walking up the street."
Then he verifies (big time!) my theory that the Iraqis will hate the French and all anti-war nations:
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There is a terrible fear among many Iraqis that they will not be able to match the Kurds' achievement if they are abandoned by the Americans once again. "The memories of 1991 are so vivid," says Sama. "People still fear that somehow the Americans will abandon us and Saddam will claw his way back from the grave. They say, `It happened in 1991, it could happen again.' That's one crucial reason why people are reluctant to cooperate with the coalition." She adds: "I find it absolutely incredible that the anti-war people are now calling for the coalition to leave straight away. Nobody in Iraq wants that. The opinion polls show it's just 13 per cent. Don't they care about the Iraqi people and what they want at all? This isn't a game. This isn't about poking a stick at George Bush. This is our lives."
And oh yeh, tw, for balance, I would be glad to read any articles from expat Iraqis who say things are going poorly. I just can't find any, can you?
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