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Originally Posted by Undertoad
Iran: "We're ready to cooperate with you."
UN: "If you ship your uranium to Russia, we will return to you uranium that's ready for use in nuclear power plants."
Iran: "Fuck you."
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Which is the Rush Limbaugh soundbyte interpretation. Only wacko extremists see everything in "black and white". Iran1 - the most wacko (ie Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) Iranians - are the only Iranians according to your interpretation. How many times must we read George Jr and UG logic before we finally see through their bullshit. The world is not monolithic no matter how many times wackos say it is monolithic. Also existing are Iran2, Iran3, Iran4, and Iran5 who have other opinions. Whose political power (ie the reform movement) was quashed when America said we will also "Pearl Harbor" Iran with nukes.
"Pearl Harbor"? Remember when you were warned those many years ago about the consequences of "Pearl Harboring" a sovereign nation? Welcome to what you should have known back in 2002.
Iran is bartering. What American extremists call "Fuck you" is how the other side says, "No, we offer this alternative." An honest person sees an Iran with many opinions - the other power brokers - Iran2, Iran3 ... Only wacko Americans who see "Fuck You" also want war. That is UT's intent using the same logic that also proved Saddam had WMDs.
"Axis of Evil" made it almost impossible to be an Iranian moderate. Iran2, Iran3, Iran4, and Iran5 - the other power brokers - had completely different opinions. But those moderates could no longer speak because people such as UT regard war as routine and acceptable. This goes right back to how one thinks. Even when presented with facts and numbers that said otherwise, the politics told them to "Pearl Harbor" Iraq. Reality, the numbers, ethics, and education meant nothing. And here we are again. Deja vue.
Since America has so harmed the world's trust, why should anyone believe any offer that has an American name attached to it? They should not. We still have too many such as UG who hate the world - who would fix the world in their own image. The world has every right to not trust America. It will take years to restore that trust. It will take years to prove that UG and Rush Limbaugh are only clowns. That moderates now speak and mock those clowns.
What UT sees as "Fuck you" is how negotiations barter - because trust must be first established.
Why did it take the Paris peace talks so long to end the Nam war? Because first America had to learn reality. First America had to learn reality so that others could trust what America might agree to. A Nixon wacko America could not even admit their perspective was devoid of reality. UT should first learn why Iran also has no reason to trust anything America might propose. Goes right back to the many Americans who did not learn the lessons of Saddam's WMDs. Who did not learn why they could so easily be lied to – and who automatically believed every one of those lies.
Iran will probably have some crude nuclear weapons only because the time to avert that bomb was five years ago. Could have happened if the American administration was honest. What results from the destruction of trust and honesty typically appears years and sometimes a decade later. Moderates who know this stuff were warning of these consequences years ago. But too many only hear wacko extremist (Fox News and Hannity) drumbeats. So many still did not learn the lessons of Saddam's WMDs. Who cannot tell the difference between bartering and “Fuck You”. Who do not understand why most every country in the world has so much less trust of the US government since 2000.
Learn the different between wacko rhetoric and the what really happens when negotiators barter.
Well at least the Iranians now have an honest America to barter with. Now something positive can happen.