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Old 12-02-2001, 10:01 PM   #54
tw
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Originally posted by jaguar
..........Explain how this stops me stealing you national ID card and fucking you as badly at a national level as i could at a state level with a DriverID?

OR conterfit it? Mabyeits harder tosteal your detaisl but hte card is equally vunerable.
I guess what is massively obvious really isn't. But then friends who have so much to lose surprise me as to what they might do to protect their name and the excess costs incurred to execute that protection. IOW maybe I see now what so many here have not yet understood.

First examine a driver's license.

1) It is considered the most reliable identification verification method available even though it was never designed for that purpose. It can be counterfeited even by a college kid with some cash - as a President's daugther even proved. (BTW, what she did was a violation of a MD girl's liberties, security, and privacy. But according to Federal law, that MD has no protection from the identity theft. The MD girl cannot even sue the Bush daughter if an arrest warrant was falsely issued in TX - because like all of us, identity theft is not a crime.)

2) What proves that a license is authentic? A separate database. That separate database is only helpful to law enforcement while also being woefully and pathetically not reliable. In short, that database cannot immediately prove, even to a cop, that you really are who you say you are.

3) Identification data is easily obtained by anyone with access to just one shady cop. It is that much easier for another to counterfeit your ID or to sell your identification.

4) When you must prove who you are most - in situations that don't involve law enforcement - the license is basically useless without a confirmation database. There is no confirmation database, none planned, and according to the many here will never exist.


A National ID card:
1) It is unique only to you in that, unlike the purpose of a license, it should only identify you - no one else - using an identification system unique to you and maybe even unique to personal knowledge.

2) The card's authenticity can be immediately verified to a master database meaning that a counterfeit card is not possible. BTW, this part of the technology is so old that it was even used to protect commerical satellites.

3) Attempts to counterfeit the card or to use a duplicate, as even in that satellite security system, causes immediate denial of verification AND notifies authorities immediately of those attempts. This security is absolutely necessary for ID protection and cannot exist in a system of many independent databases.

4) Being in a master database, those features that make you unique cannot be used by anyone else without creating more security flags.

5) Unlike other identication methods, those features that make you unique - the information - must be secure - cannot be obtained from the database by others. That not only includes unique information but may also include which security features you chose to use - simply adding additional layers of security. Remember a National ID verification and protection system is something unique and never before existed in the world - because its purpose is to serve you.

Tell me of any identification that does these things. This is the framework of security that an individual requires to protect his ID. As we continue changing from an industrial based society to an information society - IOW as we continue down the innovation highway - a driver's license will never suffice. Driver's licenses are already a compromised identification system - in part because they were never intended for such functions.

In an information society, without ID verification and protection, we are all sitting ducks just waiting for a criminal to harvest our good names. As society becomes more information dominated, a need for ID verification and protection increases.

Now where in this system is there a threat to citizen's liberties, security, or privacy. The system works for the individual - not for any big corporation, big government, big crime family, etc. We don't have any identification system that works for the citizen - only systems that work for government, big business, and everyone else. What do you have to verify who you are and to protect your ID? Currently nothing. Zero. Zilch. Knot. Nada. Currently threats to your privacy, security, liberties, and rights increase every year, probably exponentially, and without any solution in sight.

So why are those threats not obvious? And why does anyone think a reliable ID verification system currently exists?
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