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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Incorrect. There's no evidence thimerosol is dangerous, but removing it can make vaccines more dangerous, because less effective preservatives are used.

Incorrect. There is enough evidence that thimerosal is dangerous that the CDC readily admits that babies under 6 months should not get the flu vaccine, or should get a non-thimerosal dose. I happen to disagree with where they've drawn the line, but they've drawn it. And other preservatives are not in any way "less effective;" what they are is more expensive. Then of course there are several delivery methods that don't require preservatives at all.

This is kind of like your argument awhile back (in another thread, I think) that dried fruits had to be coated in sulfur dioxide in order to prevent them from growing mold. It simply isn't true. I currently have 5 different bags of various dried fruits that are not preserved in any way. I can't tell you how long they'd last without growing mold, but I generally take at least a few months to finish them. But they are more expensive.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Prefer evidence.

So do I. I wonder why they won't do double-blind studies with vaccinated and unvaccinated control groups?

Originally Posted by Undertoad

You have the intelligence, but not the education or background to determine if they do.

It doesn't take education or background to determine whether a study exists. "Honestly assessing" risk does not involve sitting in their offices and pondering the idea.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Cut those numbers in half and we still have a good case. If you want to double or quadruple those numbers or more, tell people the flu vaccine will permanently fuck them up.

I thought you preferred evidence? There were studies linked earlier in this thread that showed that a decline in the number of flu vaccinations did not lead to an increase in the number of flu infections or deaths. Your entire argument is predicated on the idea that the flu vaccine actually does anything to stop the flu, and the evidence shows it doesn't do that. Just like Gardasil doesn't lower the rate of cervical cancer.