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Old 12-08-2009, 08:28 PM   #3
Undertoad
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Originally Posted by Clodfobble View Post
First, it was double-blind, in that the researchers classifying the monkeys' developmental progress did not know which ones had been vaccinated, and the monkeys had no idea what was going on.
Your link didn't mention anything blind about it. (ETA: found it in the abstract, fine)

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Second, it was not a "counterpart" to the human studies because there have been no human safety studies with the Hepatitis B vaccination
http://www.nfid.org/library/hepb_safety.shtml

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Originally Posted by national foundation for infectious diseases
Hepatitis B vaccines have been shown to be very safe when given to infants, children or adults (CDC, 1991 a; Greenberg, 1993). More than 20 million persons have received hepatitis B vaccine in the United States and more than 500 million persons have received the vaccine worldwide. The most common side effects from hepatitis B vaccination are pain at the injection site and mild to moderate fever (Szmuness, 1980; Francis, 1982; Zajac, 1986; Stevens, 1985; Andre, 1989; Greenberg, 1993). Studies show that these side effects are reported no more frequently among those vaccinated than among persons not receiving vaccine (Szmuness, 1980; Francis, 1982). Among children receiving both hepatitis B vaccine and diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) vaccine, these mild side effects have been observed no more frequently than among children receiving DTP vaccine alone (CDC, 1991 a; Greenberg, 1993).
There's seven of them in this page alone.

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Third, I didn't realize that our purposes at this moment were still on thimerosal. I'm not sure based on your comment if you do realize that the Hepatitis B vaccine gave developmental delays to monkeys without containing thimerosal, but if so forgive me for unfairly changing the subject.
You'll have to point to that study as I am unaware of it.

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But you may expect that I'll inadvertently do it again in the future, because my purposes are not limited in scope that way. I said it pages ago, and I'll say it again: It's not just the MMR, and it's not just autism. It's also not just mercury, and not just dystonia.
"Look! J'accuse! This monkey study shows a problem with Hep B and thimerosal!"

"But numerous other studies show both are safe."

"What? I don't care - it's really about all the vaccines and all the additives!"

*sigh* then I suppose you won't bring up any more single-substance studies.
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