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02-22-2010, 04:04 PM

I'm no angel and I'll get in the gutter with anyone if necessary.

Here is my beef.....ignoring facts and hypocrisy.

I'll give you a few examples.

When you suggest and continue to insist that the stimulus program was "presented as creating and developing infrastructure..."....that is factually incorrect...whether you like it or not.

The facts are that the the program was presented as a mutli-faceted approach to stabilizing and jump starting the economy, helping people in need and putting the economy on a more sustainable long-term path.

You can cherry pick Obama comments about "shovel ready jobs" but that ignores other comments...like "investments in education"....."investing in the future with a commitment to clean energy technology"...."the program will help those currently unemployed, with jobs (including working at turkey processing plants) and/or extended benefits"...."no one expects it to be easy or quick"......

Then duck and weave when called out on a false statement.

I can provide more examples...but lets look at the hypocrisy.

One day you point to "real unemployment numbers" in response to counter a post that unemployment decreased last month (you cant accept that unemployment decreased...even if only marginally?)......those "real unemployment numbers you pointed to are government numbers...the same government you dont trust when it comes to stimulus job numbers! And posting those numbers with no context (similar "real" numbers in earlier years) is less than honest.

Hypocrisy?

And how about your refusal to accept that Clinton implemented the most comprehensive anti-terrorist program of any recent president...all of it documented...and rather than acknowledge that...you could only focus on one point..the "CIA failed" to get bin Laden when Clinton was president.

How do you expect others to respond to that stubborn and obstinate ideological position? Can you understand why some find it so fucking hard to have a conversation with you when you dig your heels in as you often do?

And this recent one on global warming made me laugh....from one who feels soooo strongly about credible, independent sources.

A credible independent source? Look at this guys post history in his blog.

# 2010.02.17: A Crash Course in Global Warming, Part One
# 2010.02.17: Family Guy Attacks Sarah Palin's Child With Down Syndrome
# 2010.02.10: Study Finds that Majority of Democrats Have Positive View of Socialism
# 2010.01.27: Obama: It's All Bush's Fault
# 2010.01.15: Obama Was an Incompetent State Senator-- His Transcripts on the Floor

Objective? Seriously, what was the point of that post other than it offered a "denial of global warming" by some guy whose expertise is probably no better than yours or mine.

I rarely post opinion columns...certainly far less than you.

And I dont criticize anyone for having an opinion different than mine...I do criticize when those opinions are presented as facts.

I try to post facts and try to cite sources (more often than most others)...and continually and repeatedly have those cites dismissed or ignored because they are counter to your opinion.

I'm just fucking tired of having to defend "facts" that you dont like.

And when all you do is criticize, but not in a constructive way...that is not "critical thinking" and exposes you as an ideologue.

I'll save Merc for another time....but he is never wrong and unless anything the Democrats propose or enact are 100% successful...they "fail" even before they are implemented....standards that I think is fair to say, none of us can meet.

I'm really not interested in attacking anyone....you and Merc, with your constant denial of the facts, floods of undocumented partisan opinions, belittling my posts and ducking weaving when challenged and yes, hypocrisy....drove me to it. I think I lasted longer than most, who just give up out of frustration. I turned my cheek long enough. It was time to fight back.

edit:
BTW, I think TW's posts are often the most informative and thought-provoking of any contributor to the political/current affairs discussions....and look at the crap he takes for it....primarily from you and Merc.

We all have a breaking point when we get "mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore!"

02-22-2010, 04:04 PM	#1904
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	I'm no angel and I'll get in the gutter with anyone if necessary. Here is my beef.....ignoring facts and hypocrisy. I'll give you a few examples. When you suggest and continue to insist that the stimulus program was "presented as creating and developing infrastructure..."....that is factually incorrect...whether you like it or not. The facts are that the the program was presented as a mutli-faceted approach to stabilizing and jump starting the economy, helping people in need and putting the economy on a more sustainable long-term path. You can cherry pick Obama comments about "shovel ready jobs" but that ignores other comments...like "investments in education"....."investing in the future with a commitment to clean energy technology"...."the program will help those currently unemployed, with jobs (including working at turkey processing plants) and/or extended benefits"...."no one expects it to be easy or quick"...... Then duck and weave when called out on a false statement. I can provide more examples...but lets look at the hypocrisy. One day you point to "real unemployment numbers" in response to counter a post that unemployment decreased last month (you cant accept that unemployment decreased...even if only marginally?)......those "real unemployment numbers you pointed to are government numbers...the same government you dont trust when it comes to stimulus job numbers! And posting those numbers with no context (similar "real" numbers in earlier years) is less than honest. Hypocrisy? And how about your refusal to accept that Clinton implemented the most comprehensive anti-terrorist program of any recent president...all of it documented...and rather than acknowledge that...you could only focus on one point..the "CIA failed" to get bin Laden when Clinton was president. How do you expect others to respond to that stubborn and obstinate ideological position? Can you understand why some find it so fucking hard to have a conversation with you when you dig your heels in as you often do? And this recent one on global warming made me laugh....from one who feels soooo strongly about credible, independent sources. A credible independent source? Look at this guys post history in his blog. # 2010.02.17: A Crash Course in Global Warming, Part One # 2010.02.17: Family Guy Attacks Sarah Palin's Child With Down Syndrome # 2010.02.10: Study Finds that Majority of Democrats Have Positive View of Socialism # 2010.01.27: Obama: It's All Bush's Fault # 2010.01.15: Obama Was an Incompetent State Senator-- His Transcripts on the Floor Objective? Seriously, what was the point of that post other than it offered a "denial of global warming" by some guy whose expertise is probably no better than yours or mine. I rarely post opinion columns...certainly far less than you. And I dont criticize anyone for having an opinion different than mine...I do criticize when those opinions are presented as facts. I try to post facts and try to cite sources (more often than most others)...and continually and repeatedly have those cites dismissed or ignored because they are counter to your opinion. I'm just fucking tired of having to defend "facts" that you dont like. And when all you do is criticize, but not in a constructive way...that is not "critical thinking" and exposes you as an ideologue. I'll save Merc for another time....but he is never wrong and unless anything the Democrats propose or enact are 100% successful...they "fail" even before they are implemented....standards that I think is fair to say, none of us can meet. I'm really not interested in attacking anyone....you and Merc, with your constant denial of the facts, floods of undocumented partisan opinions, belittling my posts and ducking weaving when challenged and yes, hypocrisy....drove me to it. I think I lasted longer than most, who just give up out of frustration. I turned my cheek long enough. It was time to fight back. edit: BTW, I think TW's posts are often the most informative and thought-provoking of any contributor to the political/current affairs discussions....and look at the crap he takes for it....primarily from you and Merc. We all have a breaking point when we get "mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore!" Last edited by Redux; 02-22-2010 at 05:19 PM.