[lumberjim]

h'yup. i'm just sayin that msrp means manufacturer's suggested retail price. if buying a jeep at sticker is being a sucker, how is it untrue when buying a saturn?

yeah, you'd be stupid to pay sticker price......everybody knows that. i'm merely commenting on the peer pressure that exists between us and our friends when we buy a car.

" hey, nice car!" almost invariably is followed by "did you get a good deal?"

you want to be able to say yes to that, don;t you?

i expect that MY job would be a lot less fun if we didn't negotiate things.....you should try it at your work.

"yeah, boss, i know you WANT the work done by 3, but the best i can do for you is 4:15." "i do really high quality work(selling value) and you just can't rush these things(taking tone of expert). sound fair?(sullivan nod)

"ok, try to have it done by 4 though." (so he's not making the last concession)

"4 it is. you won;t be sorry, sir" ( let him win)