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Originally posted by FreeYourself
I'm sorry but offending people that choose paths destructable to others is very mild when compared to the destruction they cause.
By accusing me, one who's choosen to give voice to these people, you're only deffending those who decide lives are expendable.
Oh ya, an addict yes. But look deeper. Who's at loss to this addiction, besides the person him/herself? possibly the people of the sun? Those people who build the items which we are addicted to buying.
And YES, that is harsh. I'm sorry but reality is harsh, especially in this corporate world where they try to make everything seem as if it's hunky dory.
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You're funny.
No one gives a shit if you offend someone. But consider this scenario:
You're posting on an internet forum and you have some rather unorthodox views.
Two people approach you about these views. One of them says "
Hey FreeYourself, you fucking dickface cocksucker heroin addict, personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of starving children of whereever, your views are wrong."
The other says "
Look, I see what you're saying, but I think maybe your argument is a bit flawed. See, when you look at it like this..." and then goes on to, rationally, thoughtfully and kindly support their view, without calling you names.
Who are you going to be inclined to listen to?
Now. That aside.
First, drop the word "accusing" - we're not accusing, we're stating facts. You're likening consumers to heroin addicts. Period.
Second, I'm not defending those who decide lives are expendable. I'm defending a lifestyle which I quite enjoy, and whom those in the Philippines or the Congo or whereever would quite enjoy as well, provided they were represented by a government that actually strove to make the country a better place rather than lining their own deep pockets. I'm defending their choice to come to America and live it up.
Third, your "But look deeper" line is almost totally BS. As far as the political cartoon is concerned, the intent is not to portray the victims in a friendly light or maybe help them out. It is, instead, to ridicule the consumer, likening them to a heroin addict. There's nothing deeper to look at, because you didn't give it to us, and neither did the cartoonist. That's it. Thanks.
Fourth, we've been over this, but you were out on the discussion, so I'll sum it up: a lot of us by American made products. I personally do it so I can help create well paying jobs for my fellow citizens. Some items are produced in less-than-great situations elsewhere in the world. Some are produced in downright
awful conditions. If you want to enact change, maybe you should try and politely open the eyes of the world instead of acting all uppity and smart about it.
"And YES, that is harsh." Not really. You're giving yourself too much credit here. Stop trying to sound all insightful - you're not Yoda, for fuck's sake, and when you talk like that, it does
nothing to help get your message across - instead, it makes you sounds like an idiot.
I'm trying to
help you here, by giving you some tips for improving your argument. Are you listening? Were you listening last time?
Post some
facts. Show me that they're
facts. Cut down the rhetoric and talk to me as a human being. People aren't convinced by assholes - they're convinced by kind words that make sense. You seem to really care about making a difference (I personally don't care whether or not you pick up on this, which is why I can be an asshole about it) - learn how to make people believe your argument, instead of turning their ears off.