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Old 01-03-2002, 02:18 AM   #41
jaguar
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While your faith in individuals is inspiring, I’m a bit of a Marxist at heart, individuals are largely irrelevant.



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Which is why they need a government to stand up for them, like I said before.
While you quoted half of what I said.
The other half...
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Classic! I can just see Zambia or somewhere as the little train going up the GDP hill (I know I can I know I can - if I wasn’t clobbered by first world tariffs, enormous debt and total lack of infrastructure/positive international investment.
The fact is that to gain power you need a tool - read the foundation series by Asimov - they have been on a shitty planet but they had tech, and used that as leverage to get other power. These countries have a: labor b: irreplaceable natural resources, both of which are exploited, with little long term benefit to the people involved.

As for this perverted American dream idea that if you want something enough well you can get it etcetc, sorry but its time you thought from reality, not some high flying fancy notion. You’re a farmer, lets say a poppy farmers (SO what you sell helps mentally disturbed westerners disattach themselves from their pitiful existences - sorry I couldn’t help myself) in Burma, you want to bring yourself and your family to a first world nation. YOU have no saving, no money stores with which to even buy food to support yourselves if you went by foot, how the fuck are you meant to do it? How can entire nations of people who want to do it do it? The third world, millions of people are stopped yearly at he border of Europe, begging to be let into the prosperity that lies across the border, its not that simple. What do you expect? Some Ghandi-like figure to lead the masses across the borders? Mass protest that will force Europe, Australia and America to open themselves to endless hordes of the impoverished?

The only way these countires can rise out of poverty is if ABSOLUTEL FUCKING BULLSHIT idea of a free market that is continually sputed by BORWNNOSING, BULLSHIT STUFFED POLITICANS WHO SHOULD BE FORECD TO SPEND 6 MONTHS SHOVELLING SHIT TO SEE WHAT ITS LIKE BEFORE THEY SPOUT THAT KIND OF BULLSHIT (sorry that really gets to me) implimented totally - no tarifs, no industry subsidies. ON an even plain they have the advanteages to be able to slwoly rise.
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